Why there isn't peace.

**RoadKill** · 03-30-2008, 03:57

This is the only place I could feel I could post this. And for some reason I really wanted to share it.

I was lying in my bed one day and I kept thinking to myself, Why isn't there peace? Is it that hard? And then it hit me as I was thinking. There isn't peace because the world has labels. Because the world is labelled with good or bad. Labelled with catholics and muslim, labelled as a pagan or a crusader. Because land is laballed your's or labelled his' or labelled her's there isn't peace. If you did not label a pecie of land your's or their's you would not have land to steal, and they would not have land to take. Because your religions are diffrent, a circle is drawn around your type and their type, your god and their god. If there are no crusaders there are no pagans to kill. Because there is bad there is a good, and becasue there is a good there has to be a bad.

There is no such thing as good, there is no such thing as bad, there is no such thing as a crusader, no pagan, nothing is owned land. It is just the label. A simple label that seperates everything, the reason why there is no peace and only war.

I may sound stupid I don't know, hate me, love me.

**Lemur** · 03-30-2008, 05:24

That way madness lies.

**spmetla** · 03-30-2008, 05:30

I think it is beyond labels. I did not fight with my brother as a kid over labels but over who had what toy and other stupid kid stuff. I wrestled him and his friends even when we were not angry; aggression, competition, and confrontation have always seemed normal. A mugger probably does not care what you call yourself but would be more concerned about what they could get from you.

For the world situation I put it the same but on a larger level. I doubt the first cavemen started fighting each other (assuming they did) due to labels but simpler things such as hunting grounds/territorial issues and as society became more complex then the us vs. them labels would come in. Competition and confrontation are just part of human nature, just when we get into groups they will always be given labels. Every small sports team has a name, every military regiment has a motto and history and so on until you get to the level of religions and nation-states.

I would argue that people do think of things as good or bad but usually in terms of us or them. What they did is bad what we did is good or the opposite when people think the other is better then what they know. The Mac vs. PC teasing is not out of actual spite for each other but more because the other computer user is like oneself. While these examples are all peaceful it is only a small step to violence. Look at football (soccer) riots, no real reason for them to happen, doubt there was any real hate between the supporters of each team but a few knuckleheads start brawling and it spreads, cars will be rolled over without regard as to who they belong to.

You and I might disagree, sort of, but i would not label you "stupid."

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 03-30-2008, 06:13

I believe humans fight when they can gain, quite simply. Ethnic background and religion are often used as "justification", but in the end it all comes down to land, money, and power.

Also, remember that you need some labels - you need people in a chain of command (elected or otherwise), you need some ownership (even if it is community ownership), and you need other things of that nature to keep order, and to prevent anarchy. When those labels conflict, we have war.

**Motep** · 03-30-2008, 06:33

And why do we label?

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(By the way, nice touch there Lemur)

**Redleg** · 03-30-2008, 07:25

Why there isn't peace?

Simple man is a competive animal. THen one must ask is their peace in nature or is there just survival

**CountArach** · 03-30-2008, 10:54

Originally Posted by Redleg

Why there isn't peace?

Simple man is a competive animal. THen one must ask is their peace in nature or is there just survival

Surely we have evolved beyond a need for war though?

An interesting post RoadKill and certainly one worthy of consideration. I agree that labelling has some point to it, but I think rather than labelling, it is the belief that our label is far superior to all other labels. I doubt many people truly believe that some labels are "evil" and that some are "good", except for those on the extremities. However, it is when these people on the extremities gain power and the ability to influence policy that we get national conflicts.