Mass Immigration; No Benefit.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'm intrigued as to how you work that statement out.

Immigrant workers are, more often than not, employed. In the UK, it's employers who are responsible for paying national insurance for their employees.

Thus, if the NI is not being paid, the employer is either exploiting the worker (by employing illegally) or avoiding HMRC. Either way, it isn't the immigrant worker's fault.

Well, there's the illigal employment and the ones that come to the country and then go on the dole. I don't see how it's not their fault if they're employed illigally.

[HoreTore]

Well, there's the illigal employment and the ones that come to the country and then go on the dole. I don't see how it's not their fault if they're employed illigally.

Because they don't have much else to do?

It's not a whole lot of fun to starve to death, and thankfully, not everyone likes to steal stuff.

[Papewaio]

recipes can be written down.

Yeah and Starbucks makes Espresso's that are twice the cost and half as nice as those made by most Cafes which are run by our European Immigrants.

There is an advantage to using the expertise of someone who grew up eating a food vs one who photocopied it.

[Papewaio]

Are we really going to excuse mass immigration policy's because of the food a very limited amount of immigrants could also introduce? Maybe 1% starts a restaurant whoopiedoo

It was the most obvious part and I did say it was just one part. And I wonder what component of your own food uptake is 100% local.

I would obviously add in fashion, work styles, knowledge, special skills, variety and multicultural women for starters.

[HoreTore]

what is that, various cured or fermented fishes?

You're thinking of our most famous dish, rakefisk:

Rotten fish swallowed down with Aquevit, mostly in the hope that the two will cancel each other out and you won't taste anything.

Other celebration dishes include cooked sheep's head(also swallowed down with strong liquor) and the bones of the sheep with a thin splinter of meat, that's salted down so much that you're going to need a bucket of water for every mouthful.

As for everyday dishes, we have... well, anything involving cooked potatoes(usually some sort of sliced meat and/or cooked fish), except that it seems to be illegal to use any kinds of spice.

@Pape: too true, there's no way I'm buying a kebab unless I can see that the guy making it looks middle-eastern. Euro's can't make the 'bab, plain and simple.

@Fragony: You're overpopulated even with just the natives, the solution is simple; stop procreating. One child policy ftw! Or get a big portion on a boat and send them over here...

[Papewaio]

@Pape: too true, there's no way I'm buying a kebab unless I can see that the guy making it looks middle-eastern. Euro's can't make the 'bab, plain and simple.

Meh all you Euro's look the same to me. Turkish or Spanish, if the Kebab is good I'll eat it.

Tongue yet again firmly in cheek.

[Furious Mental]

Now we know why the Vikings were so eager to get out of the place.

[Big_John]

but Pape, who goes to starbucks? only newbs. i can make a mean rogan josh or pad prik king because i can read a recipe (it has to be a good recipe of course). no need for immigrants. colonization gets the job done well enough.

now the hot foreign chicks.. thats another matter.

[Papewaio]

And where do you get the freshest and widest selection of those ingredients?

[Big_John]

And where do you get the freshest and widest selection of those ingredients?

imports from the colonies.

[Adrian II]

Yeah and Starbucks makes Espresso's that are twice the cost and half as nice as those made by most Cafes which are run by our European Immigrants.

There is an advantage to using the expertise of someone who grew up eating a food vs one who photocopied it.

One word: icecream.

I mean, Ben & Jerry's may be the best canned icecream in the world, but the handmade zuppa inglese from the Italian shop around the corner (granddad is brought in by car from Turin every two or three months to make the icecream) is unsurpassed.

[Big_John]

ben & jerry's is garbage since unilever bought them. there is better overpriced ice cream availible in the US.

gelato is better than ice cream anyway.

[Fragony]

Häagen-Dazs > Ben&Jerry

[Big_John]

Häagen-Dazs > Ben&Jerry

years ago, this would have been false.. but nowadays it's quite true.

[Adrian II]

Häagen-Dazs > Ben&Jerry

OK, so let's put this to the test.
You treat a girl to a can of Häagen-Dasz.
I take a girl around the corner and treat her to a zuppa plus an admiring Italian smile the width of Lake Como.
I win hands down.

[Big_John]

don't discount the currency of the haåaäagen dazs brand name among the ladies. it's like godiva to many of them.

[Fragony]

OK, so let's put this to the test.
You treat a girl to a can of Häagen-Dasz.
I take a girl around the corner and treat her to a zuppa plus an admiring Italian smile the width of Lake Como.
I win hands down.

Girl runs of with the italian you are left with none. I get none but still have a can of icecream to counter my depression.

I don't win but you lose.

[Adrian II]

don't discount the currency of the haåaäagen dazs brand name among the ladies. it's like godiva to many of them.

That's why I win.

[Fragony]

That's why I win.

You haven't thought it over, sublimal messages is key. What sounds more like a swedish sauna? Ice cold/hot get it?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Because they don't have much else to do?

It's not a whole lot of fun to starve to death, and thankfully, not everyone likes to steal stuff.

They chose to come here, it's not my fault they can't find jobs. I'm more worried about the people born here who can't get work. Anyway, my main point was that we use immigration to cover a hole in our society, i.e. lack of work ethic among the population.

And no, that isn't a contradiction because some of us do still want to earn a living rather than sponge it.

[Kralizec]

@Pape: too true, there's no way I'm buying a kebab unless I can see that the guy making it looks middle-eastern. Euro's can't make the 'bab, plain and simple.

Racist!

[Innocentius]

Racist!

No, you can only be a racist if you're a white man discriminating non-white (men and women).

And actually no, there's no benefit in mass immigration, no economic benefit at least. However, it's an excellent way to create segregation, racism and conflicts. If you rate exotic food higher than low crime rates, that's up to you.

[Fragony]

Is the org radicalising? Global warming? So many of you start to remind me of me.

[Papewaio]

And actually no, there's no benefit in mass immigration, no economic benefit at least. However, it's an excellent way to create segregation, racism and conflicts. If you rate exotic food higher than low crime rates, that's up to you.

Yeah I know in Aus all the criminals immigrated in.

[HoreTore]

Racist!

Not really, "culturalist" might be more suitable.

I buy bab from arabs, chinese food from asians, pizza from italians and spicy food from indians. Hasn't failed me yet.

And actually no, there's no benefit in mass immigration, no economic benefit at least. However, it's an excellent way to create segregation, racism and conflicts. If you rate exotic food higher than low crime rates, that's up to you.

There certainly is, that's one of the reasons our economy boomed when we found the oil. If we hadn't received a load of pakistani's, our economy would've stopped because of an extreme labour shortage. Getting some immigrants solved that problem nicely.

[Fragony]

Not really, "culturalist" might be more suitable.

I buy bab from arabs, chinese food from asians, pizza from italians and spicy food from indians. Hasn't failed me yet.

So do I but I eat it when I am home. Multiculture is still a luxory item for Norway, why don't you take a look at your Swedish neigbours where they just can't hug it off, but you don't really have to it isn't like rape hasn't skyrocketed in Bergen, what was it a 300% rise in just a few years? Keep pumping that oil there is enough for everyone huh.

[Kaidonni]

You'd think that mass uncontrolled immigration would only be done by an idiot. Seriously. You don't just let anyone into the country willy-nilly. There have to be controls, rules, regulations. And I mean ones that are strictly enforced. Then, the UK population is already 60 million, which is more than enough. We're full up. A dropping fertility rate is little argument for mass immigration because it's just throwing numbers at a problem, hoping for a solution.

Besides, if we lowered the population carefully to 50 million or so (yeah, I know, less colourful than a revolution and lots of raving lunatics with machine guns on orders to purge the population, but we might get told off by the UN ), with very careful planning, focusing on what would need to be done with funds for different services, etc, we might have a few less problems. This island is getting crowded, and enough is enough. Humans do need to learn to control themselves a bit better, or we're really screwed. Not just other parts of the world, but we UKers too.

Human populations need to be reduced the world over, carefully and properly. To save Humanity, as well as the world around us.

[Redleg]

Human populations need to be reduced the world over, carefully and properly. To save Humanity, as well as the world around us.

Solient Green anyone?

[Tribesman]

You'd think that mass uncontrolled immigration would only be done by an idiot.

Well I know the world is full of idiots , and the overwhelming majority of politicians are idiots , but I cannot actually recall countries having policies of uncontrolled mass immigration.

[Kaidonni]

Well I know the world is full of idiots , and the overwhelming majority of politicians are idiots , but I cannot actually recall countries having policies of uncontrolled mass immigration.

When our government has let in murderers and paedophiles, and rejects Gurkhas? I guess it's not that uncontrolled...it's controlled, but against many of the decent.

We need stricter border controls. Simple as. It's as good as uncontrolled at the moment. If criminals try to snake their way in, deportation. If an immigrant comes here, then starts committing crimes, deportation. No paying them off or anything. Would be a very good start.

So, I do guess you're right about controlled, but it's still just not good enough.

Oh, and no Soylent Green, Redleg...again, we might get told off by the UN. :P