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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
    You can't seem to get it right either.

    Godwin's Law is a law of probability; it says nothing about the appropriateness of comparisons.

    Here's what it says:

    As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving
    Nazis or Hitler approaches one
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    And as I've already demonstrated is mathematically obvious.

    An infinite discussion will cover all comparisons. As the length of any discussion increases it goes closer to infinity. Hence as any discussion grows longer, the probability of comparison involving any subject approaches one.

    So Godwin's Law doesn't demonstrate anything more then saying a room full of monkey's with an infinite amount of time will produce the works of Shakespeare. In that time they will also reproduce every other instance of man kinds work including Mein Kampf.

    So invoking Godwin's Law or any of its variants is just making a statement of the obvious.

    For the more specific idea that mentioning Nazi's means you lose an argument that is a very easily proved fallacy.

    Is it false to say that the Nazi's were in World War II? No, therefore the variant is false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    And as I've already demonstrated is mathematically obvious.

    An infinite discussion will cover all comparisons. As the length of any discussion increases it goes closer to infinity. Hence as any discussion grows longer, the probability of comparison involving any subject approaches one.
    Logically, yes.

    However, Godwin's law is empirical. It is based on an observed distribution of nazi-instances in a series of finite discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Is it false to say that the Nazi's were in World War II? No, therefore the variant is false.
    Sure. And is it false to call a poster nazi when he is a nazi? No again.

    But what if a nazi uses the nazi-comparison?
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    Still it is a trivial outcome and hence doesn't actually have any more weight then 2+2 = 4. Something is not significant just because it happens.

    I would say the reason we see Nazi more often then Mongol is a matter of cultural familiarity. Name calling in itself is what normally shows that a debater is either out of ammunition or cool. Calling someone a Nazi is just plain rude so it a discussion is lost not because of the mentioning of Goose-stepping Hugo Boss wearing blonds its the insulting nature that is being used. I'm sure in different boards there will be key terms of pain. I'm sure is some boards the calling someone a commie would happen more often then calling them Nazis even if the intent to insult is the same.

    Mind you I've always found the term lemonazi more funny then femnazi. But then I'm just bitter and twisted.
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    Can't say that I'm very surprised by this though...
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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