Monitoring your Rival Empires

**Ramses II CP** · 04-05-2008, 21:13

Poland is the only nation I've noticed doing exceptionally well without my help. The Pope tends to control a fair amount of territory in my games because I generally give him whatever I don't want.

**Duke Bart** · 04-05-2008, 21:20

Maybe the poland in my games just happened to be unlucky since now that you mention it in my new sicily game they are doing amazing! 20 turns in and they took out russia, have denmark on the run and of course they took all the rebels in their area.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 04-05-2008, 22:21

Speaking of the Papacy, I remember in one campaign the Pope went crazy and conquered all of Italy, including all the islands, and even Durazzo.

That was a one off though, he usually doesn't take much more than Florence. And sometimes he gets eaten up by the Milanese militia monsters.

**Duke Bart** · 04-06-2008, 04:40

I really have to say that rival empires are rarely actually seen, AI never get too big without your help.

Also, one time i made a huge mistake with the pope, playing as spain i tried to get on the popes good side so i gave him jerusalem. Thirty or so turns later i get map info and they own the whole middle east! i guess the pope aquired a taste for expansion

**Rhyfelwyr** · 04-06-2008, 22:22

Noticed some unusual results in my Danish short campaign I just completed, took 80 turns. The English didn't even take Caernarvon, but took Oslo. Western France was left untouched, with the French doing absolutedly nothing except give provinces to Milan. Usually one of the Iberian factions take Bordeaux and Rennes when this happeans, but they actually expanded more realistically, and the Portuguese for once didn't take Dublin!

In the east, the Polish war machine managed to take Tblisi, which is I think a new record for them. Towards the end though they seemed to collapse and Hungary took most of the provinces in Poland itself.

It was also a game for both the Italian city state factions. Usually its only one or the other, but Milan dominated in the west and took most of France, while Venice went rampant taking all the Balkans, including Constantinople. At one point, Venice owned Cagliari and Caffa, quite a wide reaching empire for the AI.

Other factions did as normal.

**Orion66** · 04-07-2008, 00:22

In the game I'm playing now as the Spanish, the Scots are doing quite well. England didn't do anything, so the Scots got all the rebel provinces in the isles, plus Bruges and Rennes. The English are on the verge of losing Caen also.
Poland is also going gangbusters.

**Pater Familias** · 04-07-2008, 01:36

I would say either Poland or HRE do well ... I'm in a Russian campaign where Poland is stalled at three territories and the HRE and I are the two biggest factions on the map. I have had other games where they were much more successful. Right now, they have 4-5 big stacks milling around their capital, as if they can't decide where to attack.
I've never seen a game where they both took off. It seems whoever gets the Baltic corridor to the north of their starting position dominates the other one.
It's my first game on the Retrofit mod, though, and I'm wondering about its campaign AI. Denmark sat in its starting square until I crushed it, and I've never seen Denmark not at least take Oslo ... I was very aggressively after Stockholm, so no surprise there.
And I just took Inverness from the rebels, leaving Scotland with one territory (temporarily ... I want to make sure I'm invading the Holy Orthodox Duchy of Scotland, not some Catholic country). And there's a pope, although the Papal States have had 0 territories for a couple of dozen turns, since they were assimilated by Milan.