Worst President Ever?

[HoreTore]

What do you mean "failed"? He succeeded in rallying the American people to go to war, succeeded in working a record breaking invasion, succeeded in winning a second term, succeeded in avoiding a second massive terrorist attack on our soil over almost 8 years, succeeded, succeeded, succeeded. Couple those with the others. He has failed on some things such as immigration reform, but others are still up in the air - such as a prolonged occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Spoken like a true believer.




There are still a few people left who praise Stalin too, but they are rather few.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Spoken like a true believer.




There are still a few people left who praise Stalin too, but they are rather few.

Aren't you one of them?

Oh, I forgot - you are the communist who's system works.


Bush has not been my favorite, but pre-maturely judging him as having more failures than successes is just that. Be reasonable, Iraq is not over just yet.

Some people are so eager to see Bush fail that they would trade the dignity and sacrifice of those who have tried so hard. Be careful of that.

Bush has primarily failed to rally the American people and sell them on his positions like other presidents have been able to do a bit more effectively - that is cut and dry.

[HoreTore]

Aren't you one of them?

Oh, I forgot - you are the communist who's system works.

One might say social democrat, like most of europe.

Bush has not been my favorite, but pre-maturely judging him as having more failures than successes is just that. Be reasonable, Iraq is not over just yet.

Some people are so eager to see Bush fail that they would trade the dignity and sacrifice of those who have tried so hard. Be careful of that.

Bush has primarily failed to rally the American people and sell them on his positions like other presidents have been able to do a bit more effectively - that is cut and dry.

Take a quick look at the state of the US economy, the one Bush had 8 years not to screw up...

[ICantSpellDawg]

One might say social democrat, like most of europe.



Take a quick look at the state of the US economy, the one Bush had 8 years not to screw up...

What did he do to screw it up exactly? Iraq? that is what is sinking us? I'd like to hear your opinions on that.

We are living in the age of China and we are still wearing the crown. Thanks George Bush II for single handedly blowing it in 8 years.

[Kralizec]

social democrat, like most of europe.

No.

[HoreTore]

No.

As opposed to Stalinists; yes.

[LittleGrizzly]

Hah. What you are actually saying is that Bush can only take bad credit, never good. You look over him when there is success and target him distinctly when their is failure. Of course you are going to find more failures than successes!

Im happy to give credit where credit is due, but is Bush really due credit for rallying the american people for war ?

9/11 did any rallying needed for Afghanastan, and false information did any rallying needed for Iraq, anyone with the ability to speak basic english could have said wmd al-qaeda and iraq in the same sentence.


Without Rumsfeld, the invasion would have taken tons more troops and much more time. Bush picked Rumsfeld. He should be given credit for doing so.

your going to have to clarify for me here do you mean the Afghanastan invasion or the iraq one ?

In the case of Iraq the result was never in doubt and a pretty quick victory was always on the cards without some huge mistakes, but did rumsfield really make a difference to any degree than another person in that position would have ?

Im happy to give credit for successes but with each point you have to judge how much Bush was an influence in this positive, i see conservatives here eager to remind people that Clinton just happened to be leader during an economic upturn, you have to use the same critical anylasis to judge bush on his successes.

[ICantSpellDawg]

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Im happy to give credit for successes but with each point you have to judge how much Bush was an influence in this positive, i see conservatives here eager to remind people that Clinton just happened to be leader during an economic upturn, you have to use the same critical anylasis to judge bush on his successes.

I don't honestly believe politicians have as much to do with the economy as most people like to believe. They give incentives for things, they can make the climate more or less hospitable - other than that... what? Iraq? Do you believe that a war over the course of a few years has crippled us?

Do you think that Bush tanked our economy? Do you think that Clinton skyrocketed it?

I'm a believer that the people do that in concurrence with their ingenuity or lack thereof. You must also take into consideration the people and ingenuity of our competitors.

The rest of your points you are free to make, but when you blame him for failings when others may have had more to do with them, you should also give him credit when things go right (due to the same other people's decisions).

[HoreTore]

I don't honestly believe politicians have as much to do with the economy as most people like to believe. They give incentives for things, they can make the climate more or less hospitable - other than that... what? Iraq? Do you believe that a war over the course of a few years has crippled us?

Uhm, no the president and government has almost absolute power over the economy. He could, for example, have put a stop to the reckless gambling with loans that led to the disaster, yet he did not. He is reacting now, along with the central bank. That's at least a year too late.

[LittleGrizzly]

I don't honestly believe politicians have as much to do with the economy as most people like to believe. They give incentives for things, they can make the climate more or less hospitable - other than that... what?

I would agree with that point, i think the changes they make can have sizeable effects but so much of it is out of thier control, and what they do effect on policy they have experts help them achieve, i think with a majority of politics politicians have the idea and then have experts help them achieve something out of this.

Do you think that Bush tanked our economy? Do you think that Clinton skyrocketed it?

I don't pertend to now all the factors involved but i think Bush through his actions has had some negative effect on the american economy, im not really sure on clinton, i think the economy did have alot of factors outside of clinton control which were positive anyway and i don't now enough about economic decisions he made to judge his impact.

The rest of your points you are free to make, but when you blame him for failings when others may have had more to do with them, you should also give him credit when things go right (due to the same other people's decisions).

I think im being fair in my criticism of bush, when thinking of the economy under his leadership i do take into account things outside of his control, the fact 9/11 happened, the increased oil prices because of 9/11 and events around it, but then the Iraq war i do put down to bush, so increased terrorism and oil prices from that do go down as black marks against him.