Vikings = Supertroop?

**The Unknown Guy** · 05-04-2008, 21:42

Well I know that AI stacks can go rebel if the faction that owns them is short of funds. No idea if that can happen to the player though -- at the very least, I know it's never happened to me.

never saw that happen myself. Are you sure it wasn´t a civil war?

**Martok** · 05-05-2008, 01:17

Originally Posted by The Unknown Guy

never saw that happen myself. Are you sure it wasn´t a civil war?

I'm sure. Every now and then, I'll get a message (from a spy, maybe? I forget) stating that Faction X cannot pay full wages to their army, and that some of their troops have rebelled as a result, etc.

I've seen this happen to the Almoravids all the time, particularly if I'm playing as Castille-Leon -- I'd drive the Almos out of Iberia and across the desert all the way to Cyrenacia, where I'd leave them to rot. Cyrenacia's income is so poor that the Almos would quickly deplete what money reserves they have; soldiers defecting due to lack of pay was nearly always inevitable.

**Roark** · 05-05-2008, 03:27

Wow, I have never seen that message in all my years of playing!

Likewise, I've never once had one of my army stacks bribed by an opponent.

**Martok** · 05-06-2008, 03:40

Originally Posted by Roark

Wow, I have never seen that message in all my years of playing!

Well I can't claim I've received the message very often -- maybe a few dozen times (at most) in the 5+ years I've been playing MTW -- but it has happened. Perhaps I had a spy in the province where the troops were defecting/rebelling? Gah! I can't remember now.

Originally Posted by Roark

Likewise, I've never once had one of my army stacks bribed by an opponent.

I've been a victim of that as well, but it's *extremely* rare in my experience -- I don't think it's happened to me more than 4-5 times the entire time I've been playing. From what little I recall, I believe it usually happened when I'd sent the general's unit back for retraining/re-equipping, and accidentally left the main army stack under the command of a low-loyalty general.

**Ironside** · 05-11-2008, 17:52

Originally Posted by Roark

Wow, I have never seen that message in all my years of playing!

Me neither, so I suspect that it's the spies that catches this. Would explain some odd small "civil wars" though.

Originally Posted by Roark

Likewise, I've never once had one of my army stacks bribed by an opponent.

That's easy, give the AI your massive 1-3 million florin empire through -ian. They'll burn through this pretty fast due to bribes. Fighting that behemoth can be quite a challenge as well and far from easy to win.

Seen it occationally otherwise as well, but the comp is rarely good enough with money to be able to bribe your stacks

**macsen rufus** · 05-12-2008, 11:26

I'm sure. Every now and then, I'll get a message (from a spy, maybe? I forget) stating that Faction X cannot pay full wages to their army, and that some of their troops have rebelled as a result, etc.

I'll add myself to the list of players who've never seen this -- so much so that I've often thought "this really ought to happen". I've seen factions with negative coffers in the hundreds of thousands (using -ian) and never seen this occur. Maybe the presence of a spy encourages such mutinies? I shall have to update my complaint from "this doesn't happen" to "this doesn't happen enough"

However, I have lost a few stacks to bribery, but likewise no more than 4 or 5 over all the years I've been playing MTW.

**Martok** · 05-12-2008, 22:29

Originally Posted by macsen rufus

I'll add myself to the list of players who've never seen this -- so much so that I've often thought "this really ought to happen". I've seen factions with negative coffers in the hundreds of thousands (using -ian) and never seen this occur. Maybe the presence of a spy encourages such mutinies? I shall have to update my complaint from "this doesn't happen" to "this doesn't happen enough"

It's as as good an explanation as any, but I still wish I knew for sure.

The Unknown Guy PM'ed me a few days ago and said he didn't see any message like that in the game files, so now I'm wondering how it was that I knew that troops were defecting because of low/no pay. The only other thing I can think of is perhaps when you right-click on a rebel army stack, it says it's gone rebel because its faction is short of funds? Or did I just hallucinate the whole thing, after all? (And unfortunately I've been too busy the last few weeks to really play MTW at all, so I can't even check it out for myself.)

I don't know. Argh!