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    More responsible would be better, evil is so relative if you do bad things for what you believe to be the greater good it isn't really evil just twisted. But Himmler was the driving force behind the final solution.

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    That assumes that Hitler conceived of "the greater good" in the same way as the rest of us, which, if I may be so presumptuous, would be the betterment of all mankind by an objective and universal standard. Hitler completely rejected such a concept- humanism and universal values were foreign to him. The only good that mattered was the good of his nation, and by definition this was also the detriment of other nations, because his view of history required his nation to expand continuously and engage in wars for their own sake in order to survive.

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    Well he didn't believe in that he believed in the aryan race that was good for him. If I could ever qualify is really evil it would be King Leoplod II, he did it all for himselve. The greatest forgotten crime in history and one heck of a book;

    http://www.amazon.com/King-Leopolds-.../dp/0618001905

    edit owwwwwwwww wrong link
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    Look brothers, are we going to take any crappy Web article seriously?

    For example: the Madagascar plan was Himmler's idea, not Hitler's. Himmler presented it in May 1940 as an alternative, since the 'Bolshewist method of physical annihilation' was still deemed 'ungermanisch' (un-Germanic) in leading nazi circles. The decision to exterminate Jews was almost certainly taken in 1941, and it was almost certainly imposed by Hitler himself. In the Spring of 1941 Himmler told Htiler's personal physician Felix Kersten that the total innihilation of Jewry had been ordered by the leader: "Das ist der eindeutige Befehl des Führers.“

    Need I go on?


    Forget the Web,
    It's full of crap.
    Instead go look
    For a decent book.
    Right on..

    Just click on the link I provided, turn to the authors mentioned and take it from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
    The decision to exterminate Jews was almost certainly taken in 1941, and it was almost certainly imposed by Hitler himself. In the Spring of 1941 Himmler told Htiler's personal physician Felix Kersten that the total innihilation of Jewry had been ordered by the leader: "Das ist der eindeutige Befehl des Führers.“
    Read this 3 times.
    Last edited by Fragony; 04-08-2008 at 19:47.

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    You know what, screw the politics, All i care about is the battles, way mor interesting anyways
    Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you,
    By the livin' Gawd that made you,
    You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!
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    It is our military's traditional response to quell provocative actions with a merciless thunderbolt.

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    Huh. Given that how they go, nevermind why they're fought in the first place, is usually largely politics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkarinen
    You know what, screw the politics, All i care about is the battles, way mor interesting anyways
    The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkarinen
    You know what, screw the politics, All i care about is the battles, way mor interesting anyways
    "The facts of history cannot be purely objective, since they become facts of history only in virtue of the significance attached to them by the historian." E.H. Carr

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