Historic Battles for EB?

[QuintusSertorius]

The point? The beauty of variety and being able to make distinct the legion from the ala. The Italian peoples themselves certainly thought their heritage worthy of note, even when they were recruited, equipped and trained in the Roman manner. Such as Samnite legionaries painting their icons on their shields.

Furthermore, where are the pedites extraordinarii in any of those battle rosters?

[abou]

The point? The beauty of variety and being able to make distinct the legion from the ala. The Italian peoples themselves certainly thought their heritage worthy of note, even when they were recruited, equipped and trained in the Roman manner. Such as Samnite legionaries painting their icons on their shields.

I agree in principle, but that isn't enough justification to include three extra units that are redundant.

Furthermore, where are the pedites extraordinarii in any of those battle rosters?

I haven't looked at the new battles closely. You would have to ask the guys who did the research.

The extraordinarii will be in the version of Magnesia I am working on. We don't know much about how they were deployed in the battle, but considering their march order I'm assuming they would be place at the far ends of the infantry in the first row between the hastati and equites.

[QuintusSertorius]

I agree in principle, but that isn't enough justification to include three extra units that are redundant.

I'll admit you've got me there. While it would be nice in a way to get "Italic hastati" et al, it is pretty redundant to have three extra units in the roster who differ only in having slightly different skins, since there's no evidence they were any better or worse than Romans were.

My own inelegant solution is to continue using the Bruttians as "Italic hastati" (even if the real Bruttians were no longer recruited as such, there's little to separate them from Polybian hastati), then use pedites extraordinarii in place of "Italic principes", and forget about the "Italici triarii" because I never double them up with allied spearmen anyway. Stack is already too big without adding still more units to it.

I haven't looked at the new battles closely. You would have to ask the guys who did the research.

The extraordinarii will be in the version of Magnesia I am working on. We don't know much about how they were deployed in the battle, but considering their march order I'm assuming they would be place at the far ends of the infantry in the first row between the hastati and equites.

Cool, look forward to seeing it.