Quintus Sertorius' Guide to Conduct Becoming of a True Roman (Redux for EB)

**Maeran** · 04-08-2008, 16:13

I've still got a copy of the old guide on my desktop for quick reference. Although over the years and with discovering EB, I have made changes to how closely I follow it. So I am glad to see a rewrite, as this will naturally be updated.

One departure I've made is the institution of a census.
This helps with keeping track of family members, since I only make promotions during the census taking (that's not entirely realistic, but there are so many people to keep track of in a successful republic)

Every 5 years (lustrum) I go from one end of the family tree to the other, assessing each living FM according, mainly, to the age policy and a Consul, Praetor, Tribune scheme. But during this sweep, I make a note of special talents or traits that they may have. This list is not the rank people possess, as a magistracy only lasts for a year except in special circumstances, and as such is over quickly in the game. Instead it is the pool from which my consuls, praetors and tribunes can come.

Talented individuals, like a young Scipio Africanus with lots of influence and command traits can potentially get an early promotion. Also, poor characters with immoral traits and, in particular,a nota censoria, may be demoted, so that an older character may find himself not eligible for a command.

Governorships also follow the census, more for practical reasons than anything else, but a governor can only retain a governorship for two lustra (?) in exceptional circumstances, such as a major war involving his province.

**QuintusSertorius** · 04-14-2008, 13:38

Something which might be of interest to people playing this mod is konny's Roman Allies mod (savegame compatible, it just changes the EDU - though if you've changed the triarii maniple sizes, you might have to do it again).

**General Appo** · 04-14-2008, 19:51

Just like to add, that I think that taking Syrakousai in the First Punic War is justified, simply because it was a staunch Roman ally until around the Second Punic War. By then you can try to make it rebel and re-take it if you like, but Syrakousai was a important trading partner to Rome and as such having it as Eleutheroi is simply wrong to me. You can always protend that the siege never happened, that you just took care of a Syrakousai army and that made them go over to your side, but I just can´t live with Syrakousai being my enemy for 40 years. Also, taking Massalia and installing a L4 Gov might be justified, for even if Rome never conquered Massalia (not until Ceasar anyway) it too was a staunch Roman ally and the Second Punic War just wouldn´t be the same without them.

**bigmilt16** · 04-14-2008, 20:12

Quintus,

Thanks so much for this thread. I just started my new Romani campaign with new, lvl 4 govt. Romanization, and I must say, that it adds a new feeling of "republicanism" and balance too it. Every province has a effective leader, and my treasury doesn't explode out of control, forcing me to make real tough economic choices.

**QuintusSertorius** · 04-14-2008, 20:18

Originally Posted by General Appo

Just like to add, that I think that taking Syrakousai in the First Punic War is justified, simply because it was a staunch Roman ally until around the Second Punic War. By then you can try to make it rebel and re-take it if you like, but Syrakousai was a important trading partner to Rome and as such having it as Eleutheroi is simply wrong to me. You can always protend that the siege never happened, that you just took care of a Syrakousai army and that made them go over to your side, but I just can´t live with Syrakousai being my enemy for 40 years. Also, taking Massalia and installing a L4 Gov might be justified, for even if Rome never conquered Massalia (not until Ceasar anyway) it too was a staunch Roman ally and the Second Punic War just wouldn´t be the same without them.

Ultimately I think it's a question of taste, and there isn't really a right way to do it. We're all acting within the constraints of what the RTW engine will let us do. I prefer to leave those two rebel, and try to prevent anyone taking them either. At a pinch, I might let Massilia go to Koinon Hellenon, and let it and Rhodes be their sole remaining provinces later on.

Originally Posted by bigmilt16

Quintus,

Thanks so much for this thread. I just started my new Romani campaign with new, lvl 4 govt. Romanization, and I must say, that it adds a new feeling of "republicanism" and balance too it. Every province has a effective leader, and my treasury doesn't explode out of control, forcing me to make real tough economic choices.

Glad you're enjoying it. I have to say client rulers have added a lot of fun to my games, and the guy in charge of Messana is being turned into a damned fine general by the amount of battles he's led against Qarthadast.

**General Appo** · 04-14-2008, 21:43

Hmmm... I´m guessing if you´re allied to the KH and they have both Massalia and Syrakousai that might work, though it´d be hard to arrange, and might require you to take those cities, letting them rebel and then Force Diplomacy an ceasefire and alliance with the KH. In a year or two when I´be finished all my other campaigns I might start a Romani campaign using house-rules similar to yours.

**QuintusSertorius** · 04-17-2008, 02:22

I've been playing some custom battles with Marian legions, and I have to wonder if the setup I've got above is too legionary-rich. They're tough and very cost-effective. Perhaps two units should represent a legion or something (if we're thinking 1:10 scale)?

**Tarkus** · 06-10-2008, 18:23

Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

I have to say client rulers have added a lot of fun to my games, and the guy in charge of Messana is being turned into a damned fine general by the amount of battles he's led against Qarthadast.

Great guide, Quintus!!
So "the guy in charge of Message" is a client ruler, right? I assume you've eliminated the client ruler movement penalty issue from the earlier versions? Did you do it manually in the appropriate file (sorry, don't remember which one) or did the posted fix take care of it for you?

I'm at 193BC in a 1.0 Romani campaign and I still can't get my client rulers to move out of their settlements...they remain stuck despite my attempt at fixing the issue

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I like your house rules regarding Romanization but I don't know how realistic this is if I can't allow my client ruler to go forth and sally or otherwise fight...

**Medical Toaster** · 06-10-2008, 19:09

Client rulers are not mobile (although they can sally) in EB 1.0. You need to use EB 1.1 for client rulers to be mobile(but slow.)

**QuintusSertorius** · 06-10-2008, 23:59

Originally Posted by Tarkus

Great guide, Quintus!!
So "the guy in charge of Message" is a client ruler, right? I assume you've eliminated the client ruler movement penalty issue from the earlier versions? Did you do it manually in the appropriate file (sorry, don't remember which one) or did the posted fix take care of it for you?

I'm at 193BC in a 1.0 Romani campaign and I still can't get my client rulers to move out of their settlements...they remain stuck despite my attempt at fixing the issue

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I like your house rules regarding Romanization but I don't know how realistic this is if I can't allow my client ruler to go forth and sally or otherwise fight...

I'm in 1.1 now, so they can move a bit (it's been fixed, although there is a problem with them interloping in the optimised scripts). But the guy in question was mostly just defending Messana against sieges. He proved capable enough not to need my main army nearby to rescue him.