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    This is such BS - why are people calling her a man? Why are they calling her girlfriend a wife?

    The only thing that happened is she underwent a breast removal and received hormone shots. She is a woman with no breasts ad more pronounced facial hair.
    She kept her female genital organs.

    It's such bunk - we haven't gotten to the point where women can transform into men or vice versa yet, why jump the gun and say things that are untrue?

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    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    Huh?
    April 1st, no doubt.
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm

    It's an absurd Hullaballoo in the States. The media is playing it up, even though it is just an intentionally deformed woman having a baby.
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    Oprah, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    Oprah, eh?
    Not just Oprah - everywhere. Our media is a retarded freak show.
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    It says in my newspaper that she (he) was on the Oprah Winfrey show yesterday (April 3rd).
    Doubt it is a joke.

    Besides she (he) was inseminated with sperm from a sperm bank and hence it is not a hermaphroditic reproduction like we were led to believe.

    I don’t know… I am not that open-minded when it comes to sex roles.
    Now… if you cut your breasts away, who shall wet nurse this child? Or do you not do this anymore in this time and age?

    Another point: What will all this hormone treatment do to this child?
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    Quite obviously not a man, nor ever will be.

    Think about, what man in their right mind would want a child? At least women have a bit of elasticity in them, but us...i don't even want to think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
    It says in my newspaper that she (he) was on the Oprah Winfrey show yesterday (April 3rd).
    Doubt it is a joke.

    Besides she (he) was inseminated with sperm from a sperm bank and hence it is not a hermaphroditic reproduction like we were led to believe.

    I don’t know… I am not that open-minded when it comes to sex roles.
    Now… if you cut your breasts away, who shall wet nurse this child? Or do you not do this anymore in this time and age?
    I'm glad to hear you say that. Just because someone can have their breasts removed and inject themselves with a hormone, doesn't mean their sex changes.

    I'm not saying that it wont be possible in the future, but right now it is just taking costumes to the next level.

    This is an example of "so open minded that our brains have fallen out"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
    Quite obviously not a man, nor ever will be.

    Think about, what man in their right mind would want a child? At least women have a bit of elasticity in them, but us...i don't even want to think about it.
    Rephrase that to: What man would want to give birth to a child? A man wants offspring as much as women.

    I believe this is a publicity stunt to get some extra $ ... Why else weren't the woman with breasts the one inseminated? (assuming she can get pregnant).
    I know I will sound like a chauvinist but - I you want to be a man, then act like one. The woman gives birth to children. This is the way we are designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
    Rephrase that to: What man would want to give birth to a child? A man wants offspring as much as women.

    I belive this is a publicity stunt to get some extra $ ... Why else were'nt the woman with breasts the one inseminated? (assuming she can get pregnant).
    Phase 1: Remove Breasts

    Phase 2: Become Artificially Inseminated

    Phase 4: Profit
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
    I'm glad to hear you say that. Just because someone can have their breasts removed and inject themselves with a hormone, doesn't mean their sex changes.

    I'm not saying that it wont be possible in the future, but right now it is just taking costumes to the next level.

    This is an example of "so open minded that our brains have fallen out"
    So.... what's your solution then? Forced abortion? Sounds jolly.
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    What? No - she is a woman having a child. Why would I ever call for a forced abortion? Wouldn't I be one of the last on this forum to call for a forced abortion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
    What? No - she is a woman having a child. Why would I ever call for a forced abortion? Wouldn't I be one of the last on this forum to call for a forced abortion?
    So you just have a problem with he/she/it calling himself a man?

    Why on earth should we(as in 'society') care about what people call themselves...? Honestly, how can that matter to us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    So you just have a problem with he/she/it calling himself a man?

    Why on earth should we(as in 'society') care about what people call themselves...? Honestly, how can that matter to us?
    It flies in the face of sense. She can call herself whatever she'd like, but responsible journalists should try to use a standard; Such as being a man or a woman based on biological function. Even a hermaphrodite could be considered a he/she, but this is clear cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
    It flies in the face of sense. She can call herself whatever she'd like, but responsible journalists should try to use a standard; Such as being a man or a woman based on biological function. Even a hermaphrodite could be considered a he/she, but this is clear cut.
    So what? What's the big deal?

    It isn't exactly a sign of the coming apocalypse, you know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    So what? What's the big deal?

    It isn't exactly a sign of the coming apocalypse, you know...
    It is a sign that people are missing the boat on verifiable classification. Our reality is less existential than we would like it to be and when communicating with a national audience you should err on the side of scientifically verifiable fact.

    Especially when it is glaringly obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
    It is a sign that people are missing the boat on verifiable classification. Our reality is less existential than we would like it to be and when communicating with a national audience you should err on the side of scientifically verifiable fact.

    Especially when it is glaringly obvious.
    no one is questioning that it is obvious that this is a woman we are talking about here....while she has XY cromossomes she´s a woman no matter what she does to her body...

    what I think people are questioning is the need to get so riled up about it....the media says a lot of stupid stuff...specially when it comes to fluff pieces like this...so what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    no one is questioning that it is obvious that this is a woman we are talking about here....while she has XY cromossomes she´s a woman no matter what she does to her body...

    what I think people are questioning is the need to get so riled up about it....the media says a lot of stupid stuff...specially when it comes to fluff pieces like this...so what?
    I guess Tuff is just calling the bluff the media put out.

    I heard this on the radio while driving to work. I was led to believe that this was the first male in history to give birth to a child. I was like: WTF!?
    Then they proceeded to go into details... now it is a hermaphroditic reproduction. This man-woman are pregnant with his own child, Implying that using his own sperm and her own uterus he-she conceived and is carrying a child.
    I was like: WTF!!!!!?
    Then at the end of the day he-she is really only a she that have operated her breast and has undergone testosterone treatment to receive facial hair. She used a sperm donor and inserminated her fully functional female reproductive organs with child-giving life...
    I was like ... Damn reporters for making sensation out of nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
    I guess Tuff is just calling the bluff the media put out.

    I heard this on the radio while driving to work. I was led to believe that this was the first male in history to give birth to a child. I was like: WTF!?
    Then they proceeded to go into details... now it is a hermaphroditic reproduction. This man-woman are pregnant with his own child, Implying that using his own sperm and her own uterus he-she conceived and is carrying a child.
    I was like: WTF!!!!!?
    Then at the end of the day he-she is really only a she that have operated her breast and has undergone testosterone treatment to receive facial hair. She used a sperm donor and inserminated her fully functional female reproductive organs with child-giving life...
    I was like ... Damn reporters for making sensation out of nothing.
    Right - This isn't earth shattering, but it seems to be an attempt to mislead the American public by the media. When the media misleads about one thing, it calls other things into question.

    I stand by my feeling of irritation with this story. I wouldn't be irritated if it was any of the previous situations that Sigurd had mentioned - but maybe grossed out.
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    Sick for the sake of it, meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
    I guess Tuff is just calling the bluff the media put out.

    I heard this on the radio while driving to work. I was led to believe that this was the first male in history to give birth to a child. I was like: WTF!?
    Then they proceeded to go into details... now it is a hermaphroditic reproduction. This man-woman are pregnant with his own child, Implying that using his own sperm and her own uterus he-she conceived and is carrying a child.
    I was like: WTF!!!!!?
    Then at the end of the day he-she is really only a she that have operated her breast and has undergone testosterone treatment to receive facial hair. She used a sperm donor and inserminated her fully functional female reproductive organs with child-giving life...
    I was like ... Damn reporters for making sensation out of nothing.

    It's sensationalism at its worst. Making a big story out of nothing with a completely false headline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
    It is a sign that people are missing the boat on verifiable classification. Our reality is less existential than we would like it to be and when communicating with a national audience you should err on the side of scientifically verifiable fact.

    Especially when it is glaringly obvious.
    Classification? They're calling him/her what he/she wants to be called. I fail to see the problem with that.

    As for the story itself, it's classical gossip nonsense, in line with the celebrity stuff. It's been a long time since news were respectable, but hey, this stuff sells papers, so in a free market world, that's got to be good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    Classification? They're calling him/her what he/she wants to be called. I fail to see the problem with that.

    As for the story itself, it's classical gossip nonsense, in line with the celebrity stuff. It's been a long time since news were respectable, but hey, this stuff sells papers, so in a free market world, that's got to be good...
    What if I got gum implants and painted myself black? The media could start calling me an African American because I wanted them to?
    Would that be accurate? Or would it be silly and misleading, bordering on deceitful?

    How about if a fat man has boob like things on his chest. what if he was walking around dressed like a guy and thought of himself as a woman in a mans body. Could he go into a ladies room? Would it be sensible to address him as a her?

    Freaking retarded.
    Why did she even have to get her boobs cut off? Couldn't she just say she was a man who happened to have boobs and a vag?
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    The mere amount of attention this topic gets says a thing or two about just how intrested in the uninteresting we are.
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    I don't often land on the same side of an argument as Tuff & Xiahou, but this time I do I wasted 15 seconds of my life* clicking on a link to find what this "pregnant man" story was about... oh, it's just a pregnant woman, plus a load of media hype. Should have known from the Oprah connection really

    The implication was that here was something that broke the expected rules of biology, which would have been newsworthy, but it was nothing of the sort.

    They're calling him/her what he/she wants to be called. I fail to see the problem with that.
    I see this problem - they are misrepresenting facts by colluding with a self-publicist. Promulgating outright lies for commercial gain. She can call herself a chocolate tea-pot if she likes, but it doesn't make her a chocolate tea-pot and it certainly doesn't make her the "first ever pregnant chocolate tea-pot".

    But of course the truth doesn't sell, does it? If the headline was "Lesbian who has undergone some surgery and hormone treatment so she can pretend to be a man is pregnant" then most readers/viewers would just say Meh! and get on with their lives.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
    What if I got gum implants and painted myself black? The media could start calling me an African American because I wanted them to?
    Would that be accurate? Or would it be silly and misleading, bordering on deceitful?

    How about if a fat man has boob like things on his chest. what if he was walking around dressed like a guy and thought of himself as a woman in a mans body. Could he go into a ladies room? Would it be sensible to address him as a her?
    I don't see the harm in that. If you prefer to be called "the black guy", I'd happily oblige. But going into the ladies room, now that's moving away from meaningless made-up titles and into reality, so that would of course not be okay.

    @macsen: blaming the media is useless, the media is controlled by the market, and as such they have to do these stories.

    Now where is that nice little red book about state control....
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    agreed. all the media outlets calling her a 'pregant man' and even carrying on as if she were actually a man is such nonsense.

    i don't doubt gender identities and whatnot, and so i can understand why she might want to modify her body to be more man-like. and i don't care if she uses the mens room. but she is not a man, never was, never will be. it's just annoying.

    btw, her wife or whatever had a hysterectomy.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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