Not Getting The Vanilla Marian Reforms!

**goosejn** · 03-24-2008, 22:18

I am playing as makedonia, it is 262BC and i have a couple of huge cities in Italy, not including Rome. Shouldn't I have triggered them by having the palaces?

**Xurr** · 03-24-2008, 22:47

Check the FAQ. Marian reforms aren't triggered by city size in EB.

**Maximus Aurelius** · 03-24-2008, 22:58

Originally Posted by Xurr

Check the FAQ. Marian reforms aren't triggered by city size in EB.

I'm pretty sure that he isn't talking about the Roman Marian reforms, but the Change of time (or whatever it is called). I'm not sure but I think that you have to get past a certain year to allow the Vanilla reforms to happen.

**goosejn** · 03-24-2008, 23:10

Yes, I am Definitely not talking about the EB marian reforms, but the Vanilla Ones that allow for all of the new Units. Does anyone know what that year is?

**Korlon** · 03-24-2008, 23:38

Vanilla Marian Reforms are triggered by having a huge city in Italy. They took out the time requirement in patch 1.5.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 03-25-2008, 00:17

The Vanilla Marian Reform will hit when one of these cities becomes huge: Arpi, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum. There may not be a message and it may be delayed a few turns but that is the only requirement.

**Torvus** · 03-27-2008, 14:23

Originally Posted by MarcusAureliusAntoninus

The Vanilla Marian Reform will hit when one of these cities becomes huge: Arpi, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum. There may not be a message and it may be delayed a few turns but that is the only requirement.

any idea of a timeframe when the AI normally does this? cuz in my current Mak campaign, Arretium has enough people to upgrade to a huge city, but the Romani haven't done it yet.

**SaberHRE** · 03-27-2008, 16:24

probably lack the money to upgrade. But be patient, more "civilized" nations tend to expand really quickly in terms of infrastructure. It took the Carthaginians 50 years to build everything in Kart-Hadast in my recent game.