Another soothsayer. What lottery numbers should I pick for tomorrow?Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
There is plenty of fighting, hopefully we're getting smarter about who to kill or let die. What makes you "Iraq is broken" people think that it was whole in the first place? Scrap metal and Bondo does not a muscle car make. It's like something people have said about the intelligence community: CIA is broken--everybody knows it's broken--CIA is still broken. Yet somehow they've managed to get by for a good while now. Good enough for government work isn't a cliché, it's how things work.I've argued for this "solution" for some time now. As horrible as that would be, Iraq was always an artificial construct kept together by repression. Civil wars have been the historical method of resolving these kinds of conflicts about identity. Latterly, we have got better at persuading communities to talk rather than fight, but not much better.
Iraq, as I've noted, is broken. Only the Iraqis can put it back together, with some level of interference by neighbours with enough strategic interest - and less regard for their soldiers' lives - to be involved in such a bloodbath.
All it takes is the bitter realisation that Bush's war has done little but give the region's hegemony to Iran. Not much of a return for 4,000 American deaths and countless broken lives.
Something which also gauls me is when people say that there is no "Iraq" but that its fate is up to Iraqis.
How much influence does Iran have in the region? How much influence will it have? Can anyone here comprehend the long term prospects of "success" in Iraq and Afghanistan? You're worried about Iranian influence in the region? Will there be Iranian influence in the region? It's natural and easy to be pessimistic; there is comfort in thinking new things will fail, maintaining the world as you know it. I don't have time for that. How many English deaths and broken lives have occurred around the world and what was the consequence? Who really cares, it's just King [sic] George's war anyway right?
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