Roman Allied Legions

[konny]

Cheers Konny! Do you know if this is uncompatible with any other mods?

The changes are in EDB. When you play a mod that uses an altered EDB for EB 1.1 it is not compatible. In EDU the only change is the voice of the Pezoi Brettioi from a Greek one (I think, "heavy_1") to a Latin one (I think, "general_1"). This is not really needed, I did so to prevent the Roman Allies from shouting around in Greek. You can use this mod by just replacing EDB with any mod with changed EDU, and either leave the Brutti voice as it is or do the simple change yourself by copping the voice line from the entry of the Roman Hastati (for example) into the Brutti entry.

[QuintusSertorius]

That's pretty nifty! My only concern from a gameplay perspective is that with Roma alone as your source of proper Roman troops, it may slow the recruitment of a consular army by quite a lot. I'd be tempted to allow Capua as well as Roma to recruit Roman troops, given the presence of the barracks there.

I have to say classical hoplites for triarii is a neat little move I didn't even think of. Although unlike triarii you can't halve the size of their maniple in the EDU because other factions use them.

[konny]

Thank you.

That's pretty nifty! My only concern from a gameplay perspective is that with Roma alone as your source of proper Roman troops, it may slow the recruitment of a consular army by quite a lot. I'd be tempted to allow Capua as well as Roma to recruit Roman troops, given the presence of the barracks there.

I don't think so (haven't tested it in the long run so far). You need two Consular armies with 1/2 Roman troops and 1/2 allied. You start the game with the equivalent to two Roman Legions and have to raise the same number in Rome to get your Romans for both Consular armies and then raise the four Legions allies.

If you like to expand the recruitement for Romans, I would suggest Segesta because I think the "Romans" there are settlers not native Italians.

I have to say classical hoplites for triarii is a neat little move I didn't even think of. Although unlike triarii you can't halve the size of their maniple in the EDU because other factions use them.

Don't do it, Camillan Triarii come in the same number as Hastati or Principes.

Example for a Consular army:

1x Levels
1x Accensi
2x Hastati
2x Principes
2x Triarii
1x Equites Romani / or Consulares

+

1x Akontistai
1x Toxotai
2x Brutti
2x Samniti
2x Hoplitai
1x Equites Campanici / or Extraordanrii

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1x Pedites Extraordinarii
1x General

[QuintusSertorius]

Thank you.

I don't think so (haven't tested it in the long run so far). You need two Consular armies with 1/2 Roman troops and 1/2 allied. You start the game with the equivalent to two Roman Legions and have to raise the same number in Rome to get your Romans for both Consular armies and then raise the four Legions allies.

If you like to expand the recruitement for Romans, I would suggest Segesta because I think the "Romans" there are settlers not native Italians.

I'm just thinking in terms of rebuilding an army, you've got some 9 units to recruit from Roma alone, whereas the remainder have a range of places they can come from.

Don't do it, Camillan Triarii come in the same number as Hastati or Principes.

Really? I wasn't aware they were any different from Polybian triarii, in terms of having maniples half the size of those of the hastati and principes.

Example for a Consular army:

1x Levels
1x Accensi
2x Hastati
2x Principes
2x Triarii
1x Equites Romani / or Consulares

+

1x Akontistai
1x Toxotai
2x Brutti
2x Samniti
2x Hoplitai
1x Equites Campanici / or Extraordanrii

+

1x Pedites Extraordinarii
1x General

Thing that worries me is that's an even bigger stack, particularly with the pedites extraordinarii not counting towards the allied total. I've had really bad experiences with the AI when it comes to moving a big stack around - they won't fight me. Even when I allow them time to gather their little armies into one big one.

[Reno Melitensis]

Thanks Konny, a very useful mini mod for all Romanii fans. Downloaded.

Cheers.

[konny]

I'm just thinking in terms of rebuilding an army, you've got some 9 units to recruit from Roma alone, whereas the remainder have a range of places they can come from.

6 (2x Hastati, 2x Principes, 2xTriarii). The recruitement of the other units was not touched. If you don't get completly butchered every single battle you should have no problems to keep your Romans in numbers with merging and retraining.

Really? I wasn't aware they were any different from Polybian triarii, in terms of having maniples half the size of those of the hastati and principes.

They were organized in 5 ordi of three (full) maniples (about 180 men each).

Thing that worries me is that's an even bigger stack, particularly with the pedites extraordinarii not counting towards the allied total. I've had really bad experiences with the AI when it comes to moving a big stack around - they won't fight me. Even when I allow them time to gather their little armies into one big one.

That's the standard force given to Consul on campaign. During operations the actual size of the army will be smaller of course: splitting of forces to hunt down smaller enemy armies, garrisons that have to be left behind, casulties that were not replaced etcpp.

[QuintusSertorius]

6 (2x Hastati, 2x Principes, 2xTriarii). The recruitement of the other units was not touched. If you don't get completly butchered every single battle you should have no problems to keep your Romans in numbers with merging and retraining.

Ah, that's a little more manageable if it's only your line infantry, not the lights. But still if you lost a whole army, that's a year and a half to restore your Roman infantry core. At least if Capua could also recruit Roman ones that would be three seasons.

They were organized in 5 ordi of three (full) maniples (about 180 men each).

So they should be full-sized just like the hastati and principes in a Camillian army? I think I'll have to go back and re-edit my EDU then.

That's the standard force given to Consul on campaign. During operations the actual size of the army will be smaller of course: splitting of forces to hunt down smaller enemy armies, garrisons that have to be left behind, casulties that were not replaced etcpp.

I don't tend to split mine much, what is brilliantly effective whole seems useless in half. Possibly because it's too narrow and deep. Although it would give my tribunes some actual command experience.

[konny]

So they should be full-sized just like the hastati and principes in a Camillian army? I think I'll have to go back and re-edit my EDU then.

Yep. Then they perfectly fit to the Hoplites in this mod too.

I don't tend to split mine much, what is brilliantly effective whole seems useless in half. Possibly because it's too narrow and deep. Although it would give my tribunes some actual command experience.

As a typical detachement I use a Tribune, the two units Extraordinarii, a missle unit and may be one of the Triarii, plus one or two units Avxilia (dependening on the task).

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

This is exactly what I wanted! Thanks very much konny - you're a hero! Award yourself a triumph!