Governement Types

[fenir]

Rex,

Just a Small note.

When a Princess, takes the throne, she does not rule as a Queen. none can, it's illegal.

Salic Law.

A Princess, as in this case we use Queen Elizabeth, I or II doesn't matter.

She is Crowned Rex, not Regina. King, not Queen, As a queen cannot rule. Queen Elizabeth Rules as King Elizabeth. (Technically In her Fathers name, though this may have changed, I cannot remember).
So a Kingdom, never changes to A Queendom. There is no such thing. And only a King can Rule. Hence Princess Elizabeth, was crowned King Of England, Scotland, (Technically Ireland), Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and about 40 other Countries.

Some Countries, like the Netherlands, the Queen can rule as a queen. But that is a fairly modern change. Whereas the Anglo-Celtic Westminister System, is a very old and developed Democracy.
So retains many of the inherent features of the past, that do not impact, or try to enhance, the system of Government. The system itself, is the Basis of all modern Democracies. From the USA Republic, system, Congress and House of Reps. Eg: House of Lords, and House of Commons. To any other system in the world today.
Hence the British have had one of the longest and most stable forms of government, and development of any nation in history.
And it all Started with the Manga Carta. Or Great Charter Enforeced Upon King John By the Lords of England and Scotland in 1215, and again in the 1280's.
This Document is Considered to be the Founding Document of Modern Democracy. And I think you can Still view it in london.
So important is it, that the only time in history, that is has moved Countries, was in World War II, to Fort Knox, USA. That is how Important it is.
IN 1263 Simon De Montfort(the Elder), Earl OF Leicester, an English Lord leed the Lords of England Against Henry the III, leeding to the next big Change, the First Recorded, Directly Elected Governement Since Athens 2000 Years Before. It is considered, that he is the Father of Modern Democracy. (Oringally this was Lead By the Earl of Gloucester).
So important in this, that in the USA house of Reps, his Relief Hangs to this today.
And his statue is in the Clock Tower in Leicester.
There is a University named after him.... et cetera.
One of his Captains, Roger Godberd, Is the man that the story of Robin hood, is Based upon.
unlike, the story of King Arthur, the robin hood is based on real events.
King Arthur is a Story made up by and English man, having an extend holiday in Cornwall in ~1428AD.


Kind of Funny really, it went from a Charter to Protect the People from a Bad king, to a Charter to Protect the people From politicians.
The next Big Change in Modern Domcracy happen in the 1600's.
That is the English Civil War. Which really was the British Iles Civil War. It is here that true representation came about. And it is Oliver Cromwells Reforms that the USA's system is based upon.

Anyway, i yakked far to much.



NOTE: I do hope CA does follow the pathetic path of placing Republics higher than any other form of government.
And I hope they DO NOT, foget to include, the Constitutional monarchies with representative Governments.
Espeically when they are the basis of all modern Democracies. I will be most upset.
My Reasons, and facts are above.

Sincerely

fenir

[PBI]

I'm pretty sure the Salic Law doesn't apply in the UK, hence why we've had a relatively large number of female monarchs. I've certainly never heard anyone refer to Elizabeth II as "King Elizabeth".

At least, Wiki seems to think it doesn't apply in the UK, hence why the thrones of Great Britain and Hannover were separated after the death of William IV; Victoria ascended to the throne of the UK but was ineligible to rule Hannover since it observed the Salic Law.

Otherwise interesting post though.

[fenir]

Then you need to Read the rules then.........
It is very easy to check what i have posted. Check the laws. Ask.

And yes "hence why we've had a relatively large number of female monarchs". Yes, WE HAVE . :)

You can also send an e-mail though the Royal Website, and ask that way. There is a link to the Public Information office.

*** Naughty****
ANd How dare you quote the wiki, thats a load of crap written by every tom dick and harry. Thats like quoting a movie as a referrence. Disgusting.
please Never quote the internet of disinformation. It is hardly ever right, and never checked.

Now go do some reading. And consider yourself told off.


PS: Salic law applies to a lot of things in law we have today, and also Codex Civilis.


PPS: I stand Corrected, The Netherlands Queen Regins as King AS well, I just checked.

Sincerely

fenir

[PBI]

Wiki isn't much of a reference I grant you, but it is (just) better than nothing. Perhaps you could provide a link to a more authoritative source? I have checked the Royal Website as you suggested but I cannot find any reference to the Salic Law in the section on succession nor any reference to the Queen's official title as "King of England" or anything to that effect except in the Channel Islands where she is referred to as "Duke of Normandy".

And the more I dig, the more times I see the same piece of information repeated: That the thrones of the UK and Hannover had to be separated upon the accession of Victoria since Hannover followed the Salic Law while the UK did not.

I would appreciate it if you would include a reference the next time you deride one of my posts so forcefully, especially since you seem to regard anything found on the internet as misinformation, instead of just stating "do some reading". Am I simply to go to Library and start at "A"?

[Colonel Flambard]

Fenir, I have dug like PBI with the same results. Please back yourself up with a FEW links to support your argument. Also Fenir, I cannot hope to take you seriously with such a blatant spelling error in your signature.

[pevergreen]

As always, attack the position not the person.

Just keep it clean boys

[Colonel Flambard]

You can be sure of good behaviour from me peverpink.

[Martok]

Easy, guys. This thread has already gone off-topic, and is now in danger of devolving into a flame-fest as well. Even folks in the Backroom are expected to be civil towards one another, and the Empire forum is no exception.

This thread was intended to discuss government mechanics in ETW and how they might function, not argue over the finer points of laws governing succession. (Besides which, I think it's safe to say that whatever model CA comes up with, it probably won't be as detailed as it is/was in real life. )

[pevergreen]

As always, attack the position not the person.

Just keep it clean boys

I'm repeating myself

As Martok said guys. I know PBI from a few other places, but I havent seen many of fenrir's posts, so I dont know if this is out of character.

I do know that you have both agreed to end it, but that may not stop it coming up again in the future.

It ends. Now.

I hope I sound imposing enough

G'day Gentlemen.