Governement Types

[Raz]

Will we be able to change from Democratic governments to Monarchies and back again? And change from a Grand Duchy type government to a Totalitarianistic Empire? If that is a ligit form of government... Have I even got my facts right?
But anyway, that feature would be really cool. Like you are playing as the English and all your heirs die out and so does your king, you only have a princess remaining and so you become a Queendom instead of a Kingdom... Well, not the greatest example, but you get what I mean.

[pevergreen]

The last example, I do hope will be able to happen, but I doubt it.

AFAIK, yes to your question.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I think it be cool to do that really!

[rajpoot]

They did not have a Elizabeth in M2TW, I doubt they'll have a Victoria in ETW.......I mean it'll really change nothing apart from the fact that your faction leader's pic will be a woman and maybe you'll lose a strong cavalry force in the field.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I know its just out the time-frame, but I'd love to have a Cromwellian-style revolution in Britain, execute the monarchs, lead the parliament in civil war, then convert everyone to Puritans!

Hopefully thats how switching to a Republic will work, since IIRC the three gov't types are Absolute Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, and Republic.

[PBI]

I too am curious about how governments will work in Empires. After all, won't switching to a Republic imply executing all your family members? I'm thinking maybe there will be some system whereby the family tree is replaced by something like the family tree for the Teutonic Order in Kingdoms, with the "family members" representing various offices of the state.

But certainly it should be possible to have female monarchs, indeed the game should have Queen Anne ascending to the British throne within 2 years of the start. I believe that by this time it was no longer the norm for rulers to lead their troops into battle, so I can't see any reason why this would be a problem.

[RLucid]

I know its just out the time-frame, but I'd love to have a Cromwellian-style revolution in Britain, execute the monarchs, lead the parliament in civil war, then convert everyone to Puritans!

Actually that'd make quite a good multi-faction game presuming you're thinking of time The_Third_English_Civil_War1 but I wonder about how widespread the marketing appeal would be, when most think of Cavaliers & Roundheads. For some reason Cromwell has PR issues to due to need to robustly deal with resisting towns, to deter populations from enduring sieges.

[Pantsalot]

[QUOTE=Caledonian Rhyfelwyr]I know its just out the time-frame, but I'd love to have a Cromwellian-style revolution in Britain, execute the monarchs, lead the parliament in civil war, then convert everyone to Puritans!
QUOTE]

If u like seeing that happen then ur not Scottish.. stop posing..
Y would a Scotsmen like to see a far that people become puritans
because they h8 the Scottish king & the Scottish state religion &
Y would a Scotsmen like to execute their own Scottish bloodlined monarch
& wish to remain as a Republic even though almost the entire of the Scottish
people supported the monarch, fought & died to keep him in power???

Change ur name, ...

lol

[BananaBob]

They did not have a Elizabeth in M2TW, I doubt they'll have a Victoria in ETW.......I mean it'll really change nothing apart from the fact that your faction leader's pic will be a woman and maybe you'll lose a strong cavalry force in the field.

IIRC they said that they would be including female monarchs, referencing Queen Anne and Empress Maria Theresa.

[pevergreen]

Source? That is worthy of the Summary Thread

[fenir]

Rex,

Just a Small note.

When a Princess, takes the throne, she does not rule as a Queen. none can, it's illegal.

Salic Law.

A Princess, as in this case we use Queen Elizabeth, I or II doesn't matter.

She is Crowned Rex, not Regina. King, not Queen, As a queen cannot rule. Queen Elizabeth Rules as King Elizabeth. (Technically In her Fathers name, though this may have changed, I cannot remember).
So a Kingdom, never changes to A Queendom. There is no such thing. And only a King can Rule. Hence Princess Elizabeth, was crowned King Of England, Scotland, (Technically Ireland), Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and about 40 other Countries.

Some Countries, like the Netherlands, the Queen can rule as a queen. But that is a fairly modern change. Whereas the Anglo-Celtic Westminister System, is a very old and developed Democracy.
So retains many of the inherent features of the past, that do not impact, or try to enhance, the system of Government. The system itself, is the Basis of all modern Democracies. From the USA Republic, system, Congress and House of Reps. Eg: House of Lords, and House of Commons. To any other system in the world today.
Hence the British have had one of the longest and most stable forms of government, and development of any nation in history.
And it all Started with the Manga Carta. Or Great Charter Enforeced Upon King John By the Lords of England and Scotland in 1215, and again in the 1280's.
This Document is Considered to be the Founding Document of Modern Democracy. And I think you can Still view it in london.
So important is it, that the only time in history, that is has moved Countries, was in World War II, to Fort Knox, USA. That is how Important it is.
IN 1263 Simon De Montfort(the Elder), Earl OF Leicester, an English Lord leed the Lords of England Against Henry the III, leeding to the next big Change, the First Recorded, Directly Elected Governement Since Athens 2000 Years Before. It is considered, that he is the Father of Modern Democracy. (Oringally this was Lead By the Earl of Gloucester).
So important in this, that in the USA house of Reps, his Relief Hangs to this today.
And his statue is in the Clock Tower in Leicester.
There is a University named after him.... et cetera.
One of his Captains, Roger Godberd, Is the man that the story of Robin hood, is Based upon.
unlike, the story of King Arthur, the robin hood is based on real events.
King Arthur is a Story made up by and English man, having an extend holiday in Cornwall in ~1428AD.


Kind of Funny really, it went from a Charter to Protect the People from a Bad king, to a Charter to Protect the people From politicians.
The next Big Change in Modern Domcracy happen in the 1600's.
That is the English Civil War. Which really was the British Iles Civil War. It is here that true representation came about. And it is Oliver Cromwells Reforms that the USA's system is based upon.

Anyway, i yakked far to much.



NOTE: I do hope CA does follow the pathetic path of placing Republics higher than any other form of government.
And I hope they DO NOT, foget to include, the Constitutional monarchies with representative Governments.
Espeically when they are the basis of all modern Democracies. I will be most upset.
My Reasons, and facts are above.

Sincerely

fenir

[PBI]

I'm pretty sure the Salic Law doesn't apply in the UK, hence why we've had a relatively large number of female monarchs. I've certainly never heard anyone refer to Elizabeth II as "King Elizabeth".

At least, Wiki seems to think it doesn't apply in the UK, hence why the thrones of Great Britain and Hannover were separated after the death of William IV; Victoria ascended to the throne of the UK but was ineligible to rule Hannover since it observed the Salic Law.

Otherwise interesting post though.

[fenir]

Then you need to Read the rules then.........
It is very easy to check what i have posted. Check the laws. Ask.

And yes "hence why we've had a relatively large number of female monarchs". Yes, WE HAVE . :)

You can also send an e-mail though the Royal Website, and ask that way. There is a link to the Public Information office.

*** Naughty****
ANd How dare you quote the wiki, thats a load of crap written by every tom dick and harry. Thats like quoting a movie as a referrence. Disgusting.
please Never quote the internet of disinformation. It is hardly ever right, and never checked.

Now go do some reading. And consider yourself told off.


PS: Salic law applies to a lot of things in law we have today, and also Codex Civilis.


PPS: I stand Corrected, The Netherlands Queen Regins as King AS well, I just checked.

Sincerely

fenir

[PBI]

Wiki isn't much of a reference I grant you, but it is (just) better than nothing. Perhaps you could provide a link to a more authoritative source? I have checked the Royal Website as you suggested but I cannot find any reference to the Salic Law in the section on succession nor any reference to the Queen's official title as "King of England" or anything to that effect except in the Channel Islands where she is referred to as "Duke of Normandy".

And the more I dig, the more times I see the same piece of information repeated: That the thrones of the UK and Hannover had to be separated upon the accession of Victoria since Hannover followed the Salic Law while the UK did not.

I would appreciate it if you would include a reference the next time you deride one of my posts so forcefully, especially since you seem to regard anything found on the internet as misinformation, instead of just stating "do some reading". Am I simply to go to Library and start at "A"?

[Colonel Flambard]

Fenir, I have dug like PBI with the same results. Please back yourself up with a FEW links to support your argument. Also Fenir, I cannot hope to take you seriously with such a blatant spelling error in your signature.

[Sabuti]

I think females will just be considered in the heirs, this aftert the Elizabethian age after all. Side note a great historical battle would be the one from Elizabeth I reign between the English and the infamous Spanish Armada.

Question: So If you have an alliance w/ an AI faction and they switch governments, would this increase the liklihood that that faction will cancel its alliance w/ you or change it's attitude toward you?

[rajpoot]

Question: So If you have an alliance w/ an AI faction and they switch governments, would this increase the liklihood that that faction will cancel its alliance w/ you or change it's attitude toward you?

It should happen or else it'll be a big dull.......I mean revolutions were one of the foremost reasons for breaking and making of alliances in that time.......look at the American revolution, look at the French revolution!

[Martok]

I think females will just be considered in the heirs, this aftert the Elizabethian age after all. Side note a great historical battle would be the one from Elizabeth I reign between the English and the infamous Spanish Armada.

I'm curious as to how/whether females will be able to ascend the throne in Empire, since obviously some nations allowed this while others did not. 'Twill be interesting to see how CA handles the matter.

While I would love to see the Spanish Armada as an historical battle in the game, I'm not sure how practical that would be since it would obviously have to be scaled way down from its real-life proportions. CA has said you can only control 20 ships on a side, which should work just fine overall, but I'm not sure how well that would translate for larger battles such as that and Trafalgar.

Question: So If you have an alliance w/ an AI faction and they switch governments, would this increase the liklihood that that faction will cancel its alliance w/ you or change it's attitude toward you?

I certainly hope so. It would only make sense.

[CBR]

The death of rulers had a tendency to upset things one way or the other. Most of the wars of the 18th century were caused or changed in possible outcome because of that. So it would be very fitting if attitude towards specific factions can do a 180 in case of a new ruler.


CBR

[Salazar]

I think great Naval Battles could theoretically be realized by using multiple players per side, so the player only controls one squadron or flotilla instead of the whole fleat.
But of course that would require gigantic maps and would probably cause most PCs to immediately degenerate into a puddle of molten metal.

[PBI]

Question: So If you have an alliance w/ an AI faction and they switch governments, would this increase the liklihood that that faction will cancel its alliance w/ you or change it's attitude toward you?

I agree with the other posters on this, changing government should be a big deal and should really throw the diplomatic cat among the pigeons, rather than simply a Civ-style selecting your choice from a menu and waiting a few turns. Perhaps it could even result in shadow factions like the Roman rebels in BI, which other countries might recognise as the "legitimate" government, causing them to "intervene" to restore them to power.