Forgery or Legit: Dacian art in lead plates?

[Romano-Dacis]

I hate it when people won't even take into consideration a theory, instead of actually investigating. Besides, it wouldn't rewrite history, as the time frame is almost blank on this aspect, it would just add to history.

Well it's kind of hard for me to accept a theory without reading the book.

Maybe it won't rewrite history if it were true, but some things I've never even heard about before, like "Regalianus's Kingdom" after the Aurelian withdrawal.


Can anyone honestly say this wouldn't completely change the political map of Europe in 271.

Who knows, maybe he's the only guy in the world who has it right and there really was a Dacoromania about half the size of the Roman Empire, but until I read his book, his claim has equal value in my eyes as "Sarmatians in England created the first English state."

Oh wait, they actually made a movie out of that...

[Ayce]

That map is AD before the Aurelian retreat. It wouldn't change anything in 271 BC, neither would the subject of this discussion. The map is the supposed Regalian Kingdom, Regalian being proclaimed Emperor by the people in Pannonia, Dacia, Thracia, Makedonia, Illyria, with the rest of the Dacians and the Goths joining in on the rebellion. He was killed before the Aurelian retreat. That first state of the Vlachs sound like BS to me since it wasn't only Vlachs. It was like the East/West split with a different guy claiming leadership and isn't relevant to the subject that deals with pre-Roman conquest Dacia.

PS: I wasn't commenting on Savescu's work.

Elmetiacos: Diiu Dio Ziu or Za (in composed words) written ΔΙΥ ΔΙΟ ZY or ZA is used as god - ZABEΛO (god of war) and ZABOΛY (god of sleep - now boală=disease)

[cmacq]

Right, just got back and haven't read any of the above posts. Has anyone mention the Albanians yet?

[Ayce]

Nope, though I could mention Albanian is called ΑΛΩΒΑΝΩ in one of the tablets, though because of the many Albania-like toponyms existing in that period, it's exact meaning isn't known.

[Tiberius Nero]

A linguistics question: what sound is the "H" letter in the inscriptions supposed to represent? Since the alphabet is Greek, I suppose it is the Greek value of the letter, which at this point in history (if this is supposed to be early AD) was pronounced no different than "I", so a people adopting a foreign alphabet would have little reason to keep redundant letters like the "H" in Greek to represent the same sound.

The fact that the circumstances of their discovery (in fact of the original gold plates) are clouded in myth, as the site linked to admits, does little for me to convince me that those are authentic, the context of discovery of such artifacts is indeed essential.

And again, no matter what has been said earlier, I took the trouble of looking at all of the plates I could find in the site, and there isn't a single letter missing or damaged anywhere in two dozens of inscriptions, or more. In fact I have come across newspapers which were harder to read than this. All this is too good to be true, sorry.

[Ayce]

The H is supposed to represent a long i (I-I).

And there are worn out plates, plates written in such a manner and eroded that you can't make heads or tails of it. Also some lettering on various good quality plates that is hard to understand because of aging. You are probably talking about the site posted in the first post. I didn't even look at that one. Today there are about 30 left. In the book I posted earlier, there are pictures of 79 plates taken in the 1940s, 71 being from the National Archeology Museum since the 19th century. There were more pics, but some were destroyed when a building came down during the 1977 earthquake.

To me, the facts that it's an enormously complex task (the lead plates have the exact same composition as other ancient plates, extreme historical accuracy and detailed, very well constructed language, natural mistakes) and that at the time of discovery, the existence of such plates would be detrimental to Romanian political interest make them, or most of them perfectly authentic.

[paullus]

"the lead plates have the exact same composition as other ancient plates"

---oh?