Neo-Nazis to Hamburg; Victims of Violence

[Vladimir]

The more things change.

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Street battles lasting several hours have gripped the German port city of Hamburg, in what police describe as the worst riots there for years.

Left-wing demonstrators angered by a neo-Nazi rally hurled bottles at police and set cars and rubbish bins ablaze. Police responded with water cannon.

I'm sorry, I just find this dreadfully amusing. NAZIs show up and the lefties start a riot. Don't these people know they're on the same side?

[Fragony]

That's normal, hairy lefties vs bald lefties always trouble. Same here, every time the neo-nanny's want to wave flags somewhere anti-facists who all dress the same way because they are individuals show up.

[Brenus]

“NAZIs show up and the lefties start a riot. Don't these people know they're on the same side”: How did you reach this conclusion? The hyper soldiers are the same than the sheep and goats lovers? The one with no hair but full of adrenaline are the same than the ones with long dirty hairs and full of marijuana… That is just the most funny joke I’ve seen for years… Thanks for the laugh…

[Husar]

As long as the police clubs them both, I'm happy.

[Vladimir]

As long as the police clubs them both, I'm happy.

Yea but the skinheads are the victims. Ahh the Irony.

Maybe this is more weird news. Sorry.

[Ronin]

“NAZIs show up and the lefties start a riot. Don't these people know they're on the same side”: How did you reach this conclusion? The hyper soldiers are the same than the sheep and goats lovers? The one with no hair but full of adrenaline are the same than the ones with long dirty hairs and full of marijuana… That is just the most funny joke I’ve seen for years… Thanks for the laugh…

there´s a running joke here on the forum...a while ago some guys tried to prove that Hitler was a socialist (Yes...I know...I´m trying not to laugh) to get a rise out of the resident socialists...

[Vladimir]

there´s a running joke here on the forum...a while ago some guys tried to prove that Hitler was a socialist (Yes...I know...I´m trying not to laugh) to get a rise out of the resident socialists...

Yea because, what's in a name?

[Adrian II]

Yea because, what's in a name?

Right. And since when do we take Hitler at his word?

[Vladimir]

Another point of the thread is that politics is more of a circle than a line. The farther you extend to one extreme the closer you come to another.

Vladimir's final thought: Socialism may not be about Communism but Communism is all about Socialism.

[KrooK]

Heh and someone keep claiming that Poland has problems with nazis.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Heh and someone keep claiming that Poland has problems with nazis.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the problem with Nazis is not confined to Germany, or even most prevalent in Germany.

The problem with socialists, on the other hand, is rather bad.

[Rhyfelwyr]

there´s a running joke here on the forum...a while ago some guys tried to prove that Hitler was a socialist (Yes...I know...I´m trying not to laugh) to get a rise out of the resident socialists...

That was an essay question in a past exam paper at my Uni.

[PanzerJaeger]

Heh and someone keep claiming that Poland has problems with nazis.

Poland had a major problem with the Nazis.

[Tribesman]

Heh and someone keep claiming that Poland has problems with nazis.

Errrr... some muppet claimed that there were no fascists in Poland didn't they

Anyway there is no fascism in Poland.

[Kagemusha]

Since when it has become news that Anarchist and skinheads take turns in beating each other up?Lovely hippies they are, arent they?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Poland had a major problem with the Nazis.

I shouldn't have laughed. I did anyways.

[Redleg]

Since when it has become news that Anarchist and skinheads take turns in beating each other up?Lovely hippies they are, arent they?

Couldn't help but notice the striking form of the man with the long stick. Looks to be a classic sword strike - stepping and leaning into the strike.

That would hurt and possibly break the arm of a shield bearing man.

Number of guys in protective masks would indicate a concise planned riot - not a spur of the moment thing.

Someone came prepared for the police response

[Ser Clegane]

Someone came prepared for the police response

The so-called "Schwarzer Block" of the extreme left always comes masked and ready/willing to riot to demonstrations.

These guys are not much better than football hooligans with the main difference being that they use a political leaning instead of the "support" for a football team as an excuse to riot.

Most lefties are not too happy about the Schwarzer Block to show up at their demonstartions for "support" as they tend to turn a potentially well-meant peaceful demonstration into a streetfight. And guess what is getting the headlines then - the message/arguments of the demonstrators or the violence...

[Redleg]

The so-called "Schwarzer Block" of the extreme left always comes masked and ready/willing to riot to demonstrations.

These guys are not much better than football hooligans with the main difference being that they use a political leaning instead of the "support" for a football team as an excuse to riot.

Most lefties are not too happy about the Schwarzer Block to show up at their demonstartions for "support" as they tend to turn a potentially well-meant peaceful demonstration into a streetfight. And guess what is getting the headlines then - the message/arguments of the demonstrators or the violence...

If they come that prepared - they are wanting the police to escalate their response. Yep, it seems if I was a peace loving leftie - I would immediately avoid and cancel any demonstration these fellows decide to grace with their presence.

Someone is going to get killed with guys swinging sticks the way those guys do, and prepared for violence the way they seem in the picture.

That or the police will get tried of getting beat up with sticks and resort to more extreme measures.

[Kagemusha]

I guess violent extremist nutters are alike, no matter what political ideology they manifest. Some people are always looking for an excuse to beat others and riot and there is always people willing to organize them.
Kind of hard to imagine what goes on inside the individual German riot police officers head´s when they have to take on both these fellows and neo nazi skinheads in turns and then occasionally go between the two when they go against each other.

[Redleg]

I guess violent extremist nutters are alike, no matter what political ideology they manifest. Some people are always looking for an excuse to beat others and riot and there is always people willing to organize them.
Kind of hard to imagine what goes on inside the individual German riot police officers head´s when they have to take on both these fellows and neo nazi skinheads in turns and then occasionally go between the two when they go against each other.

Yep makes me glad I didnt chose law enforcement as a career. I would be more inclined to let the knuckleheads duke it out, but that doesn't prevent the riot from spreading - often has the opposite effect - it grows.

Not a job I envey being a police officer especially when faced with two extreme groups.

[Kagemusha]

Yep makes me glad I didnt chose law enforcement as a career. I would be more inclined to let the knuckleheads duke it out, but that doesn't prevent the riot from spreading - often has the opposite effect - it grows.

Not a job I envey being a police officer especially when faced with two extreme groups.

I completely agree.

[Ser Clegane]

Not a job I envey being a police officer especially when faced with two extreme groups.

And to give the policemen a bit more of a challenge:

Following Thursday's violence, Hamburg Interior Minister Udo Nagel and the police union GdP sharply criticized the decision of a local upper administrative court to invalidate a police order prohibiting the right-wing and left-wing protest marches from coming into direct contact with each other.

"We knew we had to expect violence," Nagel told the mass-circulation daily Bild. "The police had developed a plan, but it was undermined by the court." Nagel described the court's decision as "irresponsible," adding that "the judges didn't just expose police to the worst dangers, but also people who hadn't even participated."

Hamburg Sees Worst Rioting in Years

[CountArach]

I'm sorry, I just find this dreadfully amusing. NAZIs show up and the lefties start a riot. Don't these people know they're on the same side?

*Smashes head on wall*

No... we... aren't...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

*Smashes head on wall*

No... we... aren't...

They get the same thing done in the end...

Mass Murder

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This is going to get something going...I can feel it.

[LittleGrizzly]

They get the same thing done in the end...

Mass Murder


so does that mean ?

left=communism
right=facism

or maybe theres a possibility theres a tiny gap inbetween were you have conservatives, socialists and all other types of confusing names that could appear similar to facism or communism, but aren't.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

or maybe theres a possibility theres a tiny gap inbetween were you have conservatives, socialists and all other types of confusing names that could appear similar to facism or communism, but aren't.

Really?

I thought they were just myths, but hey, learn something new every day I guess.

[Fragony]

left=communism
right=facism

noooooOO,

Left > communism, socialism (all kinds)
right > CAPITALISM & FREEDOM

[Husar]

Well,

socialism = equality, healthcare, Schröder
freedom = anarchy, greed, Fritzl

[CountArach]

noooooOO,

Left > communism, socialism (all kinds)
right > CAPITALISM & FREEDOM

So very close. You put Freedom in the wrong category though.