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    8th Chapter: The Rise of Al-Adil

    Prelude: The conquest of the Turk and their Byzantine lands had given quite some knowledge in the use of the sword. Since the mid 13th century, the tribes had started to value this weapon and trained with it when out of the stables. This process now gave al-Adil a new weapon in his arsenal as camel warriors could now dismount as Arab Infantry. [This was a move to try to do something about the heavy spears that kept bugging me enormously – it’s not what developers intended, but it is what I need]
    1291: In the west: Pulled out of Castille, as I had too few camels to keep the population in line. But as I intended to knock out the Spanish, and attacked where they still had an army of decent size: Portugal and Grenada.
    In the East, all reinforcements are sent to regions barring any Turk progress towards Egypt, the border force in Georgia is sent south, and the wave of camels in Tunesia is recalled from the western front. If I can keep the Turks contained, they will soon feel the might of the Empire. Granada is a victory, assured by ‘the uncle’. It seems almost impossible to take down cornered chiv.sergeants with camels unless they are valor 5 or more. In Portugal the Spanish withdraw, and in both provinces a siege is begun. In Cordoba the siege is ended as the castle falls. Armenia garrison fortifies in the fort, but they are doomed.
    1292: In the west: The Spanish has been brought to their knees. They are now only 310 in Leon, 10 (!) in Castille and 260 in Valencia. Less than one turn of camel-recruiting. But I need to take them down quickly. Castille is attacked with every available camel, keeping sieges and populations in check. The Spanish in Castille once again withdraw, facing impossible odds.
    In the east: Turkish expansion begins as a move against both Rum and Syria in the same year. The fort in Armenia is assaulted and falls, taking down a disappointingly low number of Turks in the battle. Can you really take down a stockade with a torch? The camels in Rum under a 0-star commander try to stay and fight in order to wear the enemy down a little, but fails miserably and I lose many more than they do. In Syria the odds are more even. 600 camels vs. 800 Turks attacking through the desert. Despite the inherent advantages of the desert it is a close battle, but it is a victory. The expansion has been stopped for now.
    In Arabia the population rebels! They have always been somewhat low in loyalty, but open rebellion? They shall be put to the camel!
    In Flandern, an English crusade appears, somewhat worringly. But as the objective is Muscovy I pay it no more attention.
    1293: In the west: As both the king and the only prince is now held up in Leon, I once more rally all available camels and invade Leon. As the ‘uncle’s personal bodyguard is somewhat depleted, I dare not use him in the attack, and a 0-star camel captain is given charge. The sieges in three provinces are upheld, but Valencia is left alone for the moment. King Enrique does not stand idle in Leon, but takes his remaining army of chiv.sergeants and arbelasters to Castille in order to lift the siege. This gives me immediate control of Leon, and in Castille it’s 847 camels vs. 486 top-of-the notch western army. The camels dismounted to a great extend and hid in the woods. It was no great success however, as a single unit of chiv.sergeants simply churned through four Arab inf, attacking at different angles in the forrest. Argh, those heavy spears!!! I lost 400 camels and had to ransom an additional 100 back. The Spanish lost half their number, though, and the campaign continues. I’ve lost a battle, but I intend to win the war. Portugal falls and begins camel training.
    The English crusade moves south to my amusement! That was a funny route to Muscovy!
    In the East: As I dispatch camels to the rebellion in Arabia, the Turks move the bulk of their remaining forces to Syria. It’s 650 camels vs. 1.800 turks, so I withdraw to the castle. Reinforcements are coming to the region from all over the Empire and the tide is already beginning to turn.
    1294: In the west: I pull out of Leon and make a move towards Castille. The numbers are heavily in my favour, and the Spanish abandon the province, freely giving me the castle of Madrid. Much rejoice in the camel camps! Now peace in the west is within grasp. Granada falls, leaving the Spanish with two provinces, Leon and Valencia. But then, completely unexpectedly, the English crusades lands in Morocco after secretly embarking in Normandy! What!?! Obviously the English have no understanding of geography. It’s not the most fearsome of crusades, though, with only 346 men. But 80 of those are Knight Templars, and the 40 Berber camels in Marrakesh do not feel like fighting against these odds, but withdraw to the castle.
    In the east: The siege in Rum is lifted as the camel horde makes the Turkish commander abandon his positions. An attack against Armenia fails though, as the Turkish Sultan relocates his army to the mountains. The numbers are now against the Turks, through a constant supply of camels, and the lack of training facilities in Armenia.
    1295: In general, the population in the eastern empire is showing great disloyalty, perhaps due to the fact that an English crusade and a Spanish navy are effectively blocking the lines of communication. And in the western parts, the catholic population shows no love of the camel.
    In the west: Many camels are needed to suppress the locals, but I still try to attack Leon. Though there is no military pressing need to finish the Spanish, their navy is really starting to bugger me, and the end of the Spanish would eliminate the entire navy with a stroke. But Leon resists the camel invasion, and I realise a period of rebuilding is needed before the peninsular can be won.
    The English crusade goes east and attacks Algier.
    In the east: Both Armenia and Syria, the sole remaining provinces of the Turks, are attacked. The Armenian garrison withdraws, expecting safe haven in Syria. But unknown by them, Syria is also under attack. It is the end of the Turks, as the Syrian army is defeated. Whew! That was a short, but fun, reappearance.
    1296: Province Loyalty continues to pose problems and a couple more rebellions ensures that al-Mustansir, previously a no-name commander goes to three stars. With the title as Amir of Castille, he goes to four, and is now beginning to look as a young new ‘Camel Lord’. The turn is used to build and suppres.
    The English crusade continues to stir up trouble, and I move quite a lot of camels in their direction. They attack Tunesia, and I stand and fight with 200 local camels, but they have a good general and the templars gives a good account of themselves.
    1297: As I move against the crusade, it evades my army and re-attacks Algier! Now I’m certain they are completely lost: “Where are we? I guess this must be Lithuania. Never heard of camels and desert in Lithuania? I thought we would fight the golden horde? Well, this must be the place, it’s an odd looking church. Why does it have four towers?” Oh the confusion.
    Across the board I rebuild and reshuffle my forces. King Enrique dies, and leaves the Spanish with a broken empire, almost turned to dust. He was also their last competent commander.
    1298: Finally I’m ready to attack Leon, now without any member of the royal line, and no commander worthy of mentioning. It’s a complete victory, and the castle is put under siege. As the crusade tries to re-enter Tunesia, it bumps into an army of 1.200 camels and is destroyed completely. The lines of communication have been reopened.
    The Aragonese reappear in Navarra, with nice 5 stacks. Though they are not immediately at war with me as with the Turk reappearance, they will prove a contender in the near future.
    1299: Build-up and reshuffle. Loyalty is back in the green all over the empire, and I start to add to the navy after years of panic camel recruiting.
    1300: Valencia is attacked, and ‘the uncle’ scores another victory against a horde of urban militia. The Spanish are now finished in all but two castles, which will fall in 2-3 years. A massive victory on both fronts!

    There are now three different routes to take, as I see it. There are three major factions left in the game: The Horde in the East, the Holy Roman Empire in the West and the Hungarians in the Middle. Italy is a mess (quite historically correct). My income of 13k florins are met by my expenses of 13k florins, so there is no need to wait and build further.

    Whom should the Sultan of the Camels attack now? The steppes? The Italian peninsular? France? Pull a navy to Ireland? All options are open, as the Empire is at its strongest.

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    In the East, the steppes are a seemingly easy target

    Italy is always a tempting prize

    What plans have King Filip I for his Aragonese subjects?


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    Another fine entry! Glad you were able to quickly crush the Turkish re-emergence, else they could've been a very serious problem for you. I also congratulate you on your impending victory over the Spaniards.


    I have to say, this passage had me laughing out loud:
    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of the Rose View Post
    1297: As I move against the crusade, it evades my army and re-attacks Algier! Now I’m certain they are completely lost: “Where are we? I guess this must be Lithuania. Never heard of camels and desert in Lithuania? I thought we would fight the golden horde? Well, this must be the place, it’s an odd looking church. Why does it have four towers?” Oh the confusion.
    Priceless!


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    There are now three different routes to take, as I see it. There are three major factions left in the game: The Horde in the East, the Holy Roman Empire in the West and the Hungarians in the Middle. Italy is a mess (quite historically correct). My income of 13k florins are met by my expenses of 13k florins, so there is no need to wait and build further.

    Whom should the Sultan of the Camels attack now? The steppes? The Italian peninsular? France? Pull a navy to Ireland? All options are open, as the Empire is at its strongest.
    I'd recommend that your next move (after you finish mopping up, of course) be to invade France and take on the HRE, as they appear to be developing into a major power (wonder of wonders ). Second option would be to challenge the Huns for supremacy is central/eastern Europe.

    I'd leave the Mongols be for now -- you're in a strong defensive position holding Georgia, and would only be fighting the Horde's ideal battle if you were to invade the eastern steppes.
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    A nice punitive campaign against the Hungarians could send them into civil war, which would open up a lot of options. Italy is potentially rich and well protected by the alps. The steppes should cause no problems for now, so ignore them.

    In other words - 1: send Hungary into civil war using an overwhelming force, 2: secure Italy, 3: use Venice and Genoa to control the seas and the gates to France and the Balkans respectively. This way you won¨t be fighting in lush grasslands for a while yet.

    Sounds feasible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martok
    I'd recommend that your next move (after you finish mopping up, of course) be to invade France and take on the HRE, as they appear to be developing into a major power (wonder of wonders ). Second option would be to challenge the Huns for supremacy is central/eastern Europe.

    I'd leave the Mongols be for now -- you're in a strong defensive position holding Georgia, and would only be fighting the Horde's ideal battle if you were to invade the eastern steppes.
    Normally, I would agree with this, but with an overwhelming force of Camel-fearing Horses amongst the mongols, it may be advantageous to strike them on the steppes. Your strengths of maneuverability would be lessened by it being the Mongols strength as well, but I've found that the Mongols generally lack the heavy spears you so wish to avoid. In my experiences at least.

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    I'm with Bondovic on this one methinks.....Greece & Bulgaria look very vulnerable, and a drive up through the Hungarian empire's soft underbelly may well spark their disintegration...

    I love the recounting of the meandering route of the English crusade, by the way....clearly though the compass rose has appeared, there are few how know how to read it....
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    Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

    Though in the beginning I was inclined to go get the huns, I think they play an important strategic role for the moment. Both barring mongol expansion to the west and HRE expansion to the east. The last 20 turns or so has seen the fall of the once mighty French empire mostly by the hands of the HRE and an English reappearance. The HRE is now attacking its last few provinces. The Aragonese reappearance actually took place a few years after the French had nothing to counter a somewhat small rebellion in Navarre with.

    In short, the Mongols and the Huns seem to keep eachother at bay while I can face them both at chokepoints. The HRE is something to worry about though.

    But Italy looks nice too. Maybe to much trouble with the navies guarding the straights.

    I'll make up my mind in a couple of days and continue the campaign.

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    9th chapter: The end of Empires, and of Sultan Al-Adil

    1301: After deciding to take on the Germans, I rearrange fleets and armies to prepare for C-day (camel-day). The first mercenary camels appear in Georgia. Where were you 75 years ago? Well, better late than never. In Iberia the Aragonese decides to attack Castille and make war with the camel. This they shall regret. I retreat to the castle, and make ready for war.
    1302: In Castille, ‘the uncle’ tries to come to the garrisons aid, but there are precious few camels at his disposal, and the Aragonese field well equipped troops. With only 935 camels vs. 1.400 Aragonese, he manages to rout the enemy. This was one of the closest battles I have ever fought, and for quite some time I was certain it was lost. But a personal engagement from ‘the uncle’ and the general fear of camels won the day.
    In France, the invasion has begun:
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    I plan to strike north, and have reinforcements fill up behind me, until I have spilt the HRE in two. Then I will move west to the sea and destroy the Germans. The invasion is lead by the 4-star camel lord, named ‘the scorpion’

    In Valencia the Almos reappear! Iberia is now a patchwork of factions, but some hold far too many numbers to my liking! More work for ‘the uncle’
    1303: French invasion rolls on according to plan. The Germans flee before the sight of the camel. In Iberia, the Aragonese once again attack Castille. ‘The uncle’ has retreated to Leon to refill his personal bodyguard, but his replacement wins the day none the less. It doesn’t seem like the Aragonese will be holding a place in history at this rate. The Spanish are defeated and their navy dissolved.
    1304: I actually have spare camels in France, and I attack not only Ile-de-France, but also Genoa, in order to create maximum confusion. This year the Almos attack Castille, and the region has now been invaded four times in four years. The locals would be quite desperate, but there properly aren’t anyone left. I abandon the province and start rebuilding in Iberia. I consider falling back all the way to Cordoba to minimize the number of provinces to defend.
    1305: The HRE dissolves into civil war with the loss of so many provinces in such a short time. The French also has a civil war. And to add to the fun, the Swiss appear! I’m sure their pointy sticks will prove no problem for the camel… The Genoa attack force shifts to Milan to further harass the Germans. Anjou is taken, according to plan.
    In Iberia the Almos try to attack ‘the uncle’ in Leon, where he’s trying to muster as many camels as possible. It’s a close call, as 1.433 camels gather to meet 1.500 Almos under the relentless midday sun. Again it is a victory, and ‘the uncle’ shows his genius by killing almost a thousand Almos while only loosing 250 camels. This stabilizes the situation somewhat.
    1306: As many provinces are battling rebels, further attacks are held off until they are resolved. The newly conquered provinces are battling with loyalty-problems and bolstered with extra camels.
    1307: Brittany & Aquitane, the last two western german provinces are attacked, ‘the scorpion’ leading the attack on the latter province. Once again, the Germans retreat from Brittany, but have no option but to fight in Aquitane. ‘The scorpion’ fields 1.500 camels, vastly outnumbering the enemy of 900. It’s a sound victory, and the Emperor along with a number of nobles are captured and subsequently executed as the ransom fail to arrive. Buildup in Iberia, as the victories and forthcoming camel production in France assures the western front.
    1308: Besides a rebel stack in Touluse, no one has the strength to attack my positions. I consolidate and prepare for a final re-re-conquista of Iberia
    1309: Beefing up Cordoba, and bringing ‘the uncle’ in the south and ‘the scorpion’ in the north into attacking positions. The French king and two princes decides to attack Portugal on a whim. They are duly captured and ransomed back for 10.000 florins. That was an expensive holiday!
    1310: The grand attack commences with ‘the uncle’ at the fore. Such a mighty wave of camels, that the Almos have no choice but to abandon the province. Castille is once again in the hands of Al-Adil, while ‘the scorpion’ gathers camels in the north.
    1311: The French war proves to be a bother, as the French navy in the Mediterranean actually manages to cut off Europe from the camel breeding grounds in Africa and the Middle East. For the moment I’ll have to do with the local production. Valencia is attacked to provide the end of the Almos. The Camel Horde numbers 3.800 camels, the largest army to give battle to this date. The 3.000 Almos could not stop the onslaught, and are pushed back to the castle, with no hope of survival. Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.
    The Aragonese give Aquitane a try, but retreat without a fight facing numerous camel warriors massing at the chant of prey and bounty. As an unpleasant surprise the Golden Horde attacks Georgia in the far east! But as the garrison outnumbers the backstabbing horse-lovers, the attack is repelled. A futile attack providing nothing but a declaration of war. They will be dealt with in due time.
    1312: Setup for the final battle of Iberia… Georgia reinforced. As the population of France has somewhat gotten used to their new rulers, Normandy is invaded to teach the French a lesson. They are alone, in their last province. Outnumbered, abandoned. A relic of a former massive empire. And they chose to: Abandon the province?!? I was a little surprised, as I didn’t knew it was possible. The entire army is captured, the King is executed and the faction fallen. Farewell furious French.
    1313: It’s the year of massive battles in the mountains of Iberia. ‘The uncle’ leads his host from Castille into the Aragonese stronghold, receiving reinforcements from the north raising the number of camels to 3.000. The Aragonese can only field half that number. And they are crushed in a major victory. A victory that ensured ‘the uncle’ his ninth star!
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    ‘The scorpion’ takes on Aragon, presently rebel-held. They number 770 catalans, against 1.200 camels, but the numerous chivalric sergeants with ‘no retreat’ bonus once again rout my army.

    The fronts have now joined, and only a small province holds off the massive horde of camels at its doorsteps. But new threats are constantly facing the camel lords. In Syria, the Turks reappear! 18 years after they were last wiped out. But this time, their timing is better. The last couple of years before their reappearance, I was struggling with rebels, and actually have garrisons in the neighbouring provinces. To further support my case, they arrive in the desert, and only with 2.700 men. Most importantly, they have no camels! I expect a swift return to the steppes from where they came.

    Al-Adil died this year, marking the end of an unimpressive personal career, but a remarkable growth of the Empire. My plan to use him in battles failed as the chiv.serg. held him off in the African desert, and I needed ‘the uncle’ to do battle instead. The new sultan is Nasir II. A completely unremarkable Sultan, except that he is inbred to the core. But a young prince of 16, Mohammed, came of age just before Al-Adil died. Unlike the rest of his family, he actually shows signs of talent. Maybe this will be the cause of intrigue in Egyptian court…
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    The new Sultan, Inbred as starting vice. Not nice. But a Great Warrior. Maybe he shall have a Great Death

    The Prince. The first with royal blood to hold talent

    The Golden Horde is now the closest competitor, and has recently declared war. The western front seems somewhat secure.
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    I sense a camel vs. horse showdown in the near future…

    /KotR

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    Instant classic - "backstabbing horse-lovers". You continue to inspire me, KotR!

    Can't wait to hear about the lumbering beasts hitting the dark scandinavian forrest. But I suppose we'll get stories of many a Camel Hammer raining on the horde's pony archers first? Nevertheless, I'm totally excited to find out how this epic tale ends! Bravo!

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    Indeed, Sir Rose Knight; I wish my amateur AARs were half as entertaining! Your wordplay makes me giddy and jealous.

    So, with the Horde at war with you in the East, and the English and what's left of the HRE awaiting in the West... you still have the Hun juggernaut to watch out for. Which will it be?

    A) Advance into Russia, supplanting the steppe ponies with mounts of the humped-back persuasion?
    B) Finish off the HRE and other usurpers in the West?
    C) Fail due to a camel disease and be winked out of history? That would be horrible!

    But on a serious note, good luck in your future ventures, I hope to hear more!

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    The Camel Horde vs. the (horse-heavy) Golden Horde. Should be an epic match-up.
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    Thanks all!

    These replies sure make it all worth it, and show me I'm on the right track.

    I hope the next chapter will include a little more battle-reports though. Seem to be a lot of strategy in the late game and less action.

    And yeah, there's no pressing need to take on the Minor Horde. England could be a target as well...

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    Dear all,

    I've finally given up on the camel campaign.

    On one hand I feel a little bad about not being able to finish what I started, and bring you the final chapters on the camel crusade.

    Yet on the other hand, I simply cannot dedicate the time and efford nessesary to finish the campaign and post it. It just isn't fun anymore.

    I've started a Byz campaign yesterday, just for fun, and realized that I would rather spend my precious little gaming time on that.

    Thank you for following the campaign, I've let you down, I know. The next time I post something, I'll finish it first, and then post.

    Please bear with me, I've done my best. And I think I've proved that camels *can* rule the world, if you really want to.

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    Oh well, the game can be more of a grind towards the end.

    Thanks for writing what you did though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of the Rose
    Dear all,

    I've finally given up on the camel campaign.

    On one hand I feel a little bad about not being able to finish what I started, and bring you the final chapters on the camel crusade.

    Yet on the other hand, I simply cannot dedicate the time and efford nessesary to finish the campaign and post it. It just isn't fun anymore.

    Thank you for following the campaign, I've let you down, I know. The next time I post something, I'll finish it first, and then post.
    Hey, you don't ever have to apologize for quitting a campaign that's no longer fun. That would defeat the purpose of playing games in the first place.


    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of the Rose
    Please bear with me, I've done my best. And I think I've proved that camels *can* rule the world, if you really want to.

    /KotR
    Indeed you have, sir. I salute you, and extend my thanks & appreciation for your magnificent efforts.


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    In all seriousness winning a total victory playing vanilla on the hard difficulty as Egypt using nothing but camels is very possible. I might try this one day, though with a difference: I would include a modded unit prod file where Egypt's generals are also camels (so no Ghulam units) and Egypt can train absolutely nothing else except camels. Even with these restrictions I am confident that the campaign can be won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martok View Post
    Hey, you don't ever have to apologize for quitting a campaign that's no longer fun. That would defeat the purpose of playing games in the first place.
    Agreed!

    Many thanks to you, Kotr, for bringing us this desert epic. I sure as was totally inspired! This thread goes into my Favorites. Blessings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynwulf View Post
    In all seriousness winning a total victory playing vanilla on the hard difficulty as Egypt using nothing but camels is very possible. I might try this one day, though with a difference: I would include a modded unit prod file where Egypt's generals are also camels (so no Ghulam units) and Egypt can train absolutely nothing else except camels. Even with these restrictions I am confident that the campaign can be won.

    I quite agree - if you allow trade routes and training of camels everywhere (or at least in 15 provinces - if you restrict training provinces you can go without trade.) there is nothing to stop you. When I trained camels in 40 provinces, my coffers where emptying due to the lack of trade.

    I consider myself an able general, and was on average able to inflict roughly 1:1 losses on spear units and 2,5:1 losses (in my favour) to all other units. When you start with a reasonable income, you can easily get the ball running. I wish you the best of luck, should you ever enter such an adventure.

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    I'm just waiting for the Ballistae campaign....

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    Uff da! Now that would be painful in more ways than one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martok View Post
    Uff da! Now that would be painful in more ways than one....
    As long as you always auto-calc you got a chance. Your initial wave strength and lack of reinforcements are quite a killer in played out combat.
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    Oh, this was a great camel campaign to read! Many thanks for writing that!
    The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish, and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten. The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits. When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten. The purpose of words is to convey ideas. When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words? He is the one I would like to talk to.

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