Elephants still too weak?

[beatoangelico]

new version old issue: first turn as makedonia, the AI seems smarter than ever: KH siege corith and Pyrrhus decides to attack Pella with his elephants. This is the good; the bad is that even if their stats have been buffed elephants still drop like flies if touched by javelins: with 3 volley my mighty akontistai killed 5 eles (I play on large size) and the last one got berserk. Is there anything that can be done? Maybe the bonus against elephants via mount_effect of many skirmishers (akontistai have +2) is what makes javeliners so strong? The trown attribute is known to amplify the effect of javelins against multiple HP units, and 6 instead of 4 may have a big impact.

[Tellos Athenaios]

That's actually like we want it: missiles + elephants => dinner.

Therefore do not judge elphants by how the AI spoils them, but by how a crafty human general can cause total havoc with 'em!

[General Appo]

You send elephants against javelins you´ve wasted you´re elephants, that´s how it always has been and always will be, in ancient warfare as in EB. Elephants weren´t the gigantic mass-killers that could stomp through anything and come out alive that Vanilla makes them appear, 180 Javelins (or whatever size your on) will almost certainly cause a hell lot damage to 6 elephants, and multpiply that by 3 and you have a bunch of dead elephants and a crying Pyrrhus. Easy as that.

[Poggleit]

I was actually considering elephants to be perhaps too powerful now in my Epeirot game now that they've got more hp: I've used them to eat phalanxes from the front (admittedly they were phalangitai deuteroi), and as far as I've experienced their shock value is their greatest asset.

Phalanx hammer and elephant anvil.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes, Arrian famously puts a speech in Alexander's mouth to the effect that he hasn't brought any of their allies' elephants because they are a liability and more trouble than they're worth.

[Moosemanmoo]

Slightly related, how are people finding chariots now?

[Watchman]

Yes, Arrian famously puts a speech in Alexander's mouth to the effect that he hasn't brought any of their allies' elephants because they are a liability and more trouble than they're worth.

Would that be Alexander the Great, the guy who created the nucleus of the future Diadochi elephant corps...?