WeCanDoIt.Org...WTF?

[Vladimir]

Trees are a renewable resource that if properly managed will last as long as the Earth does. Hence, my job is secure if I do it with respect for the environment.

Sorry, gotta stop treating forums like a conversation and put more in my posts.

No it's not.

The problem is that you think your view of environmentalism is the one that will be enforced. When you state "Anything that promotes environmentalism and conservation is good" I have a problem. Clearly it's not a though out statement. "Anything" is a lot. An example would be a problem a lot of national parks have between environmentalists and firefighting/wildlife managers. The latter attempt to take a responsible logging approach while the former don't want it touched at all. Quite often the enviros win and everyone else looses.

"Anything" includes you loosing your job (I believe that's your full-time occupation, correct? Besides pleasing She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed of course)

[TinCow]

So what do you guys think about WeCanDoIt.Org....

They have stopped me dead in my tracks. Literally. The first time I saw the Sharpton/Robertson version, I was walking past a TV that was just on for background noise. When I realized the pair of people that were sitting there together, I did a double take and stared at it until it was over. I then ran to tell my wife what I saw and she didn't believe me, so I had to go rewind the tivo so she could see it. The exact same thing happened a second time a few days ago with the Pelosi/Gingrich version.

I think they are fabulous. If we can get partisan personages of that caliber to agree on global warming and push for action, something might actually get done.

[Beirut]

The problem is that you think your view of environmentalism is the one that will be enforced.

I think nothing of the sort. I think only that my view of environmetalism will be enforce by me.

[QUOTE=Vladimir]When you state "Anything that promotes environmentalism and conservation is good" I have a problem. Clearly it's not a though out statement. "Anything" is a lot. An example would be a problem a lot of national parks have between environmentalists and firefighting/wildlife managers. The latter attempt to take a responsible logging approach while the former don't want it touched at all. Quite often the enviros win and everyone else loses.[QUOTE=Vladimir]

I see your point that extremism is, well, extreme, but after decades (if not centuries) of morbidly bad environmental behaviour, a few instances of over the top tree-hugging isn't going to cause our fat first-world existence to come to a screaching halt.

"Anything" includes you loosing your job (I believe that's your full-time occupation, correct? Besides pleasing She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed of course)

I am subject to environmental standards, municipal and provincial, when cutting trees and there are several instances where I do not do work that is legal because, though legal, it would be stupid. We've walked off several jobs and refused others outright.

(My dear sir, pleasing She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed is not just a job, it's an adventure.)

[Vladimir]

I am subject to environmental standards, municipal and provincial, when cutting trees and there are several instances where I do not do work that is legal because, though legal, it would be stupid. We've walked off several jobs and refused others outright.

Good story, you may have heard of it. Some guy with too much money and time wants to cut down some trees because they obscured his view of the Potomac river. Cared so much about it that he petitioned the government and won. Later he petitioned the government to build a retaining wall along his property because the river was eroding it.

I don't think he won that one. Error on the side of the tree I guess.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Yes that's why the most currently profitable automotive companies are US companies.

The Big 3 are flat at best these days (kind interp) or in the process of flatlining (negative interp). Ford has been losing money for more than two years despite occasional nice quarters, GM is more or less stagnant, and the only part of DaimlerChrysler making money is the Daimler part (okay, the trucks are doing okay too, but Chrysler cars are heading south and hard).