Proctectorates

**QuintusSertorius** · 04-22-2008, 09:50

Protectorates count towards your province count for victory conditions. The protectorate gives their protector any surpluses from their treasury every turn.

You'll almost never get the AI to agree to becoming one without Force Diplomacy.

**artaxerxes** · 04-22-2008, 09:56

ok thx :)

**Horst Nordfink** · 04-22-2008, 10:00

Here's the link for Force Diplomacy

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=80763

I recommend it, it's very useful.

**QuintusSertorius** · 04-22-2008, 10:36

Useful? I'd go further than that. It's necessary for anything like sensible diplomacy in the game, especially if you're playing on VH campaign difficulty where the AI won't even accept trade rights.

**artaxerxes** · 04-22-2008, 16:18

hehe nice :)

**/Bean\** · 04-22-2008, 16:35

I think its annoying that the enemy basically always refuses Protectorate offers, even if they are being attacked by several factions...and also refuseing to pay reperations after a war. But Force Dipolomacy should sort this

. WHile on subject, how come cities (etc) WERE forced to pay reperations and such? Presumably to stop the victor from destroying them, but then why doesnt this work in the game very often? Is the AI stubboness just hardcoded into the game?

**Ibrahim** · 04-22-2008, 16:41

ya, I know the feeling; I once wooped carthage like a little kid for 20 years (80 turns), and then demanded protectorate (I was besieging carthage). I threatened violent action, but they refused, and that turn, the depleted garrison fell with no fight, and carthage was sacked..they eventually caved in to a peace treaty, but were not protectorates.

**stupac** · 04-23-2008, 00:00

Originally Posted by the Bean

I think its annoying that the enemy basically always refuses Protectorate offers, even if they are being attacked by several factions...and also refuseing to pay reperations after a war. But Force Dipolomacy should sort this

. WHile on subject, how come cities (etc) WERE forced to pay reperations and such? Presumably to stop the victor from destroying them, but then why doesnt this work in the game very often? Is the AI stubboness just hardcoded into the game?

Is it really that surprising considering that CA expected the player to merely conquer the world as quickly as they could, never intending to put this into a realistic time frame. Why bother with diplomacy then, only gets in the way. And since vanilla was so incredibly easy, they needed the hard difficulty levels to give the AI more money and keep them on the player's back the whole time.