Can't ally w/ people???

[artaxerxes]

Yes, but if you afterwards go to war with said survivor faction, and then again make peace, the alliance option should be visible iirc.

doesn't look like it... KH went to war with me, then made peace (and continued in this rhytm 60 times since they lost every invading army, while I never bothered to cross to Greece) - and alliance is still impossible... But if carthage allies with ptolematoi, then that means that ill never - in this campaign - EVER get to be ally of Carthage - since Ptollies never make peace, so i cant ally w/ carthage while ptollies are alive, and if ptollies are destroyed, i cant ally w/ Carthage?????

[artaxerxes]

now KH works all of a sudden... weird but pleasant - even thoh they keep making war ;)