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    If your looking to do that it is going to be very diffucult building muscle and losing fat at the same time (Im not talking about OMG IM NOT 350 lbs anymore and can bench 115 lbs) For someone whose CNS is adapted to weight training and has a sub 18% bodyfat it is diffucult. What you need to do is this

    1. Eat below your matinence level not allot lower but still lower

    2. Cut as many carbs out as you can use them only for pre/post workout to give muscle much needed nutrients

    3. Find foods that are low in calories and high in protien Tuna is the king of this I would also by a tub of whey a 2to1 caloire protien ratio is something you cant beat.

    4. Lift heavy compund movements
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    If your looking to do that it is going to be very diffucult building muscle and losing fat at the same time (Im not talking about OMG IM NOT 350 lbs anymore and can bench 115 lbs) For someone whose CNS is adapted to weight training and has a sub 18% bodyfat it is diffucult. What you need to do is this
    Well I've adapted to weight training pretty well, as I've been going 2-3 a week since mid January. The fat loss is minimal. I really just want to lose a few pounds on my gut so I can have a six pack.

    1. Eat below your matinence level not allot lower but still lower

    2. Cut as many carbs out as you can use them only for pre/post workout to give muscle much needed nutrients

    3. Find foods that are low in calories and high in protien Tuna is the king of this I would also by a tub of whey a 2to1 caloire protien ratio is something you cant beat.

    4. Lift heavy compund movements
    2 and 3 is great advice. 3 is a bit obvious, but I've been reading stuff lately and you seem to confirm it with 2. Have you heard of carb loading with protein in the morning? I've read about carbs pre/post workout and in the morning.



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    Man, there is 1 and only 1 way to lose fat. To burn more calories than you take in.

    Now, if you don't want to lose muscle also, keep the calorie intake about 2-300 cal below your daily burn, but no lower than that.
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    The only thing that has a higher calorie content than alcohol is fat. If you go to sleep intoxicated it also interferes with the production of chemicals which allow you to burn fat.


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    SFTS is right about whey. One of the best ways to put on mass without having to down too many carbs and calories. I'd also suggest staying away from flax and soy protien, both contain estrogen.

    If your looking to lean up and add mass, nothing beats creatine and whey in combination. Just make sure to drink plenty of water, if you start to cramp up your not drinking enough. Taurine and glutamine also come in handy.

    Carbs are important even when your trying to lose wieght just make sure their low glucose carbs. They'll take awhile to digest but provide more energy in the long run, plus far fewer calories.

    Also if your puting on alot of mass I'd suggest using an antaganistic wieght lifting routine so you don't lose your flexibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTex
    ... creatine ...
    I was under the impression that creatine just increased water retention?

    Doesn't body-type have a large influence in muscle growth etcetera. I know for me personally it is pretty much impossible for me to gain toned upper body muscles even if I workout regularly. It just doesn't work. However, my lower body gets muscle growth much more easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice
    The fat loss is minimal. I really just want to lose a few pounds on my gut so I can have a six pack.
    A mate of mine has a six pack and he doesn't even work out. And yet back in my final year of school when I would workout regularly I could never get any substantial muscle toning there even though my fat percentage would be around 6%. Anyway good luck with the ab muscles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rythmic

    A mate of mine has a six pack and he doesn't even work out. And yet back in my final year of school when I would workout regularly I could never get any substantial muscle toning there even though my fat percentage would be around 6%. Anyway good luck with the ab muscles.
    A lot of it is genetics. My one friend eats like crap, and do mean crap, and has a six pack.

    I eat sparingly and fairly healthy diet, and I'm much stalker than he is. Good old genetics.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTex
    Also if your puting on alot of mass I'd suggest using an antaganistic wieght lifting routine so you don't lose your flexibility.
    Antagonistic? You mean like having your wife yell at you while you're doing push ups?

    Wait a second... Hmmmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut
    Antagonistic? You mean like having your wife yell at you while you're doing push ups?

    Wait a second... Hmmmmmm.
    Shouldn't you be doing pushups with your wife?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTex
    SFTS is right about whey. One of the best ways to put on mass without having to down too many carbs and calories. I'd also suggest staying away from flax and soy protien, both contain estrogen.

    If your looking to lean up and add mass, nothing beats creatine and whey in combination. Just make sure to drink plenty of water, if you start to cramp up your not drinking enough. Taurine and glutamine also come in handy.

    Carbs are important even when your trying to lose wieght just make sure their low glucose carbs. They'll take awhile to digest but provide more energy in the long run, plus far fewer calories.

    Also if your puting on alot of mass I'd suggest using an antaganistic wieght lifting routine so you don't lose your flexibility.
    Well a couple of things. He doesnt need a whole bunch of supps and weight lifiting and flexibiblty do not go hand an hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTex
    SFTS is right about whey. One of the best ways to put on mass without having to down too many carbs and calories. I'd also suggest staying away from flax and soy protien, both contain estrogen.

    If your looking to lean up and add mass, nothing beats creatine and whey in combination. Just make sure to drink plenty of water, if you start to cramp up your not drinking enough. Taurine and glutamine also come in handy.

    Carbs are important even when your trying to lose wieght just make sure their low glucose carbs. They'll take awhile to digest but provide more energy in the long run, plus far fewer calories.

    Also if your puting on alot of mass I'd suggest using an antaganistic wieght lifting routine so you don't lose your flexibility.
    Don't really want to put creatine into my body. I'd rather do this in a more natural way, although I do take a multi which includes about 150 mg of amino acids two being taurine and gluatamine.
    Last edited by Ice; 04-26-2008 at 18:19.



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