Quote Originally Posted by Adrian II
I say we try another angle.

Could someone open a thread called "Does the devil exist?" and state his position, so we can see where we get. I promise not to troll, derail or misbehave otherwise, on condition that it's the real beef we're discussing. Not some abstract concept of evil that is defined beforehand as intangible and incomprehensible, but a conscious and consciously evil being that intervenes in the natural world.

G'won, hit me!
I'll take the bait, and start the ball rolling. I probably wouldn't have been moved to, except that earlier this week I saw a newspaper billboard, in which the featured headline was "Satan was at the wheel". I presume this meant some driver was claiming (in court) that his car crash was caused by the aforementioned "consciously evil" entity, rather than his own shortcomings with mechanical devices.....

Personally I take the view that human folly and selfishness is sufficient cause for all the evil we perceive in the world, without multiplying entities to account for it, yet I have encountered many, many devout people who absolutely know the Devil is real (and is personally responsible for me not believing in him).

Let it roll