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    Default Re: Does the devil exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
    I don't follow you logic here... care to use lay-man on me or is there some nuances in the english language that does not translate to my Norwegian programmed brain?

    I think he is saying if God is all seeing and all nowing then God already nows your path/fate/future so there are no choices for you to make.

    My assumption would be that even though God nows what choice you will make you are still free to make it, God just nows what choice you will make.
    So God made us in such a way that we will make the "choices" that he knows we are going to make.....

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    Except that this whole theory breaks down because all proceeds as he has forseen regardless. If God is Omnipotent and Omnicient he CANNOT be wrong and therefore he can't "really" give you free will.
    God would have to have created the earth and know everything, as well as being able to choose any path and have free will. Of himself and for himself, you can't be both.

    Anyway, is there a devil? lol, pretty ridiculous.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

    Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944

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