What did Vanilla get right?

[Lysimachos]

We people here surfing forums, downloading mods and discussing historical accuracy are not the average buyers. You'll always find lots of people who want a game more complex, more historically accurate, more challenging, but those who pay the company its money (in numerical relation) don't want that. They are satisfied with a bit of everything and a portion of "cool" stuff like shining LS armour, war dogs and different roman families. There probably never will be a game which has no "need" for modding, not because the developers suck, but because they do the game for those they can earn money with.
Game play is a two edged sword.

[Parallel Pain]

The original Shogun doesn't really need modding

[Olaf The Great]

They got the engine right, it might be full of stupid hardcodes and mod-unfriendly scripting, but you know what? Its a great engine that, while not used to its full potential , is still (In my humble Opinion) one of the better Strat-game engines.


Also, the senate system(albeit historically innacurate-ish and exclusive to Romans for some reason) is something that for some reason, I liked.

[Taneda Santôka]

The original Shogun doesn't really need modding

It couldnt get any, but it had battlefield ninjas, blacksuited ninjas, legendary geishas, kensais, 7 clans among the dozens actually important, Imagawa in Kyushu, Takeda in southern Honshu, only peasant ashigarus and it did have a full mongol invaion... But again it's the best TW so far, with the ilustrations, music and japanese battle formations!

[Maion Maroneios]

I will have to agree with those who say vanilla was not intended to be 100% accurate historically, just provide players with a game they'll have fun with. And I certainly did, before I came across RTW modifications. You know, there are sometimes I just feel like playing good old vanilla again, only to shake my head in dissapointment and play EB with more passion again...

[Hooahguy]

lol. i thought that too. when i had to re-install all my games b/c i lost my hard drive, i played one battle in RTW. i had 6 units of phalanxmen, and they had a bunch of infantry. i routed them with one loss of my own....
i began to cry, not believing at how easy it was to kill them, and i didnt play again untiol i had EB safely installed.

to the OP- nothing!!!!!!!
jk lol

[Primative1]

I dont own a copy anymore but have heard that it is impossible to play Shogun on XP.

Is there a patch/fix available for it?

[Lysimachos]

I dont own a copy anymore but have heard that it is impossible to play Shogun on XP.

Is there a patch/fix available for it?

Perhaps with an emulator. Med 1 works fine on XP, by the way.

[The General]

I dont own a copy anymore but have heard that it is impossible to play Shogun on XP.

Is there a patch/fix available for it?

It doesn't work for me, crashes at the end of the first AI turn. >_>

*Is furious*

Gief working Shogun.

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We people here surfing forums, downloading mods and discussing historical accuracy are not the average buyers. You'll always find lots of people who want a game more complex, more historically accurate, more challenging, but those who pay the company its money (in numerical relation) don't want that. They are satisfied with a bit of everything and a portion of "cool" stuff like shining LS armour, war dogs and different roman families. There probably never will be a game which has no "need" for modding, not because the developers suck, but because they do the game for those they can earn money with.
Game play is a two edged sword.

I honestly doubt CA would have lost any money if they'd made vanilla RTW like EB. IMO EB is a lot easier to get into then some other strategy games *cough*all Paradox games*cough*.

I think the main reason CA didn't go the "EB way" is because it would've taken an excessive amount of time, and since they're a company after all, they need to make as much money in as little time as possible



edit: a path to the dark side spammage is, young padawan

[craziii]

what vanilla rtw did right was that battle field is determined by where the 2 opposing armies meet on the campaign map. that is the single most impressive thing ever! that 3D map is the biggest improvement over the original province 2d blocks of the old, even though, it is also the cause of bad diplomacy in the game.

[Tiberius Nero]

I think the risk style map of STW and MTW was much better for the AI than the continuous map of RTW, at least then it could concentrate its armies.

[bovi]

I honestly doubt CA would have lost any money if they'd made vanilla RTW like EB.

I think the main reason CA didn't go the "EB way" is because it would've taken an excessive amount of time

These two statements are contradictory, or more precisely the second one kills the first.

[chenkai11]

These two statements are contradictory, or more precisely the second one kills the first.

I second to that.

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These two statements are contradictory, or more precisely the second one kills the first.

No, actually they're not.

What i meant was that CA would've sold roughly the same amount of units if they'd put more work in

[artaxerxes]

RTW is the first computer game I've known to even MENTION Seleucids and Thracians, as well as to include Antigonid Macedonians. Having always had an appetite for the old world, and especially the world of the Diadochi, I always hated how games always went:

Persian Wars -> Peloponessian Wars -> Alexander the Great -> Rome/Caesar...

To actually see a game, which acknowledges the existence of minor states like Pontus, or where Hellenistic states weren't merely cannon-fodder for the Romans but rather a cultures in their own right

I just loved it,,,

But I always hate being at the edge of the map, cos it feels so unrealistic with secure borders there. Thats why I love EB, since then my Seleucids are no longer unrealistically isolated in a corner of the map. EB thus fulfills my dreams. Had I loved the Saka, EB would have irritated me just as much, since they live in this unrealistic corner ;) Until computers get good enough to feature the entire of Eurasia, that'll prolly always be the case. But with EB all my favourite factions are now completely in their own, beautiful surroundings. Lots of thanks !