Later Polybian armies

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Since many of the Italian allies fought with the same types of equiptment, tactics, and training as "Roman" units, in EB the Hastati, Principes, and Triarii available outside of Roma actually represent allies as well. They could have their own units with different skins, but that would take up more unit slots so EB decided to represent allies that fought the same a Romans with the same unit. If their were unlimited unit spaces I'm possitive that EB would already have variation amongst the Italian allies, but we are stuck in the engine...

[QuintusSertorius]

To create an accurate Roman legion we need someone to make an EB Roman mini mod, as has been done to RTR Platinum. Maybe the Camillan reforms should be scraped and more Italian infantry units introduced, to simulate the different Italian and Latin Hastati, Principe and Triari.

Like many of you I try to diversify as much as I can my legions by adding Exraordinarii, Samniti Milites and Hastati, Bruttians and Lucanian infantry, and the Hoplites , with my Camillan or Polybian Legions.

What we need is an Eb mini mod.
Cheers.

The only way you could free up space in the Roman roster would be to remove the Camillian troops - that's six slots right away.

Since many of the Italian allies fought with the same types of equiptment, tactics, and training as "Roman" units, in EB the Hastati, Principes, and Triarii available outside of Roma actually represent allies as well. They could have their own units with different skins, but that would take up more unit slots so EB decided to represent allies that fought the same a Romans with the same unit. If their were unlimited unit spaces I'm possitive that EB would already have variation amongst the Italian allies, but we are stuck in the engine...

Indeed, the old unit limitation. But as I said in the OP, I'm not disputing that, I'm just after ideas on what units I could use to get around that.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Maybe you could encourage someone to make a minimod that adds allied italian hastati, principes, triarii from another mod (with permission) as well as other italian regionals? There really isn't anything that can be used as allied Italians in EB...

[Lysimachos]

Indeed, the old unit limitation.

If i understood correctly what has been said in another thread there still are some unit slots left. The team just didn't want to fill them because the unit limit in M2TW is the same for a greater number of factions and they wouldn't want to leave units out which were in EB 1. If that is right, it should be no problem to add a handful of units to your personal modification.

Edit: When using ALX there shouldn't be a problem at all, as it has a higher unit limit.

[QuintusSertorius]

If i understood correctly what has been said in another thread there still are some unit slots left. The team just didn't want to fill them because the unit limit in M2TW is the same for a greater number of factions and they wouldn't want to leave units out which were in EB 1. If that is right, it should be no problem to add a handful of units to your personal modification.

Weren't there buggy issues if you started filling up the roster? How many slots are left for the Romans?

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

My solution to the Latin allies problem is to pretend that Rorarii are Italian light infantry (Hastati equivalent).

Then Bruttian infantry can be used as Principes equivalents, and Samnite Heavy Infanty as Triarii equivalents.

From what I can figure out, Rorarii were deployed behind the Triarii in combat. Since 'going to the Triarii' wasn't a regular occurrence in Roman battles, the Rorarii must have been used even less often. Most likely they were the camp guard and hardly ever got into the action.

So I don't regret 'losing' the Rorarii from the Roman legion and giving them to the Italians.

[QuintusSertorius]

My solution to the Latin allies problem is to pretend that Rorarii are Italian light infantry (Hastati equivalent).

Then Bruttian infantry can be used as Principes equivalents, and Samnite Heavy Infanty as Triarii equivalents.

From what I can figure out, Rorarii were deployed behind the Triarii in combat. Since 'going to the Triarii' wasn't a regular occurrence in Roman battles, the Rorarii must have been used even less often. Most likely they were the camp guard and hardly ever got into the action.

So I don't regret 'losing' the Rorarii from the Roman legion and giving them to the Italians.

Problem there, aside from rorarii lacking the right equipment is that you can't recruit them after you've had the Polybian reforms. Rorarii, if they were still available make a good representation of volones - camp slaves who were occasionally armed.

Are there any old skins for Roman troops that could be re-used as Italic Polybians?

[blacksnail]

I believe there are roughly 40 slots free in EB1 for you to play with.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Problem there, aside from rorarii lacking the right equipment is that you can't recruit them after you've had the Polybian reforms. Rorarii, if they were still available make a good representation of volones - camp slaves who were occasionally armed.

Are there any old skins for Roman troops that could be re-used as Italic Polybians?

Sorry, I missed the Polybian part of your post. I was talking about Camillian.

[konny]

The only way you could free up space in the Roman roster would be to remove the Camillian troops - that's six slots right away.

If you are going to delete Roman units to make room for early allied units, you should consider to drop the Imperial line-up what you won't see in most of your Roman campaigns (seriously, who plays beyond Marian times?). The Camillans are needed because the army of the Pyrrhic War was not the same as the one of the Second Punic War.

[QuintusSertorius]

If you are going to delete Roman units to make room for early allied units, you should consider to drop the Imperial line-up what you won't see in most of your Roman campaigns (seriously, who plays beyond Marian times?). The Camillans are needed because the army of the Pyrrhic War was not the same as the one of the Second Punic War.

As it turns out, from what blacksnail said there's room anyway, so there's no need to be deleting anyone.