Minimod-project: Syracuse. Need Help!

[Lovejoy]

Heeello EB-folks!

I'm been trying to transform KH into a Syracuse-faction.

No succes so far! :S So I'm looking for help.

Lets together, in a historic team effort, do this!

In a first step I wanted to make the city of Syracuse to belong to the KH-faction. But i'm getting an error...

This is how the code looks in the "descr_strat" file(the things in bold is what I have changed):

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; ---------------------------------------------------------
; ######### greek_cities - Koinon Hellenon #########
; ---------------------------------------------------------

faction greek_cities, balanced smith
denari 3000
settlement
{
level large_town
region Lakonike

year_founded 0
population 1260
settlement_tax 51
plan_set greek
faction_creator greek_cities
building
{
type core_building governors_villa
}
building
{
type uniques4 foureight
}
building
{
type defenses wooden_pallisade
}
;WG building
; {
; type Barracks_I militia_barracks_I1
; }
building
{
type hinterland_farms farms
}
;WG building
; {
; type hinterland_roads roads
; }
building
{
type temple_of_forge temple_of_forge_shrine
}
}

settlement
{
level city
region Rhodos

year_founded 0
population 6690
settlement_tax 51
plan_set greek
faction_creator greek_cities
building
{
type core_building governors_palace
}
building
{
type uniques1 oneseven
}
building
{
type defenses stone_wall
}
;WG building
; {
; type Barracks_I muster_field_I
; }
building
{
type port_buildings port
}
building
{
type amphitheatres game_field
}
building
{
type theatres odeon
}
building
{
type market forum
}
building
{
type healing doctor
}
building
{
type hinterland_farms farms
}
building
{
type temple_of_fun temple_of_fun_temple
}
}

settlement
{
level large_town
region Attike

year_founded 0
population 2940
settlement_tax 51
plan_set greek
faction_creator greek_cities
building
{
type core_building governors_villa
}
building
{
type uniques1 oneone
}
building
{
type defenses stone_wall
}
building
{
type hinterland_farms farms+1
}
building
{
type farms2 granary
}
building
{
type hinterland_mines mines
}
building
{
type port_buildings port
}
building
{
type navy_port naval_bay
}
building
{
type market forum
}
building
{
type amphitheatres game_field
}
;WG building
; {
; type theatres theatre
; }
;WG building
; {
; type Barracks_I muster_field_I
; }
building
{
type smith blacksmith
}
;WG building
; {
; type hinterland_roads roads
; }
building
{
type temple_of_forge temple_of_forge_temple
}
}

settlement
{
level city
region Trinakrie

year_founded 0
population 6720
settlement_tax 51
plan_set default_set
faction_creator thrace
building
{
type core_building governors_palace
}
building
{
type defenses stone_wall
}
building
{
type navy_port naval_bay
}
building
{
type smith blacksmith
}
building
{
type port_buildings port
}
building
{
type hinterland_farms farms+1
}
building
{
type farms2 granary
}
building
{
type market market
}
building
{
type health sewers
}
building
{
type healing doctor
}
building
{
type amphitheatres game_field
}
building
{
type hinterland_roads roads
}
}

; City: Syracuse
; Region: Trinakrie
; --------------------
character, sub_faction greek_cities, Hiero, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 20, , x 106, y 100
traits ImmobileRebel 1 , Disciplinarian 1 , GoodTactician 1 , CommandExperience 3 , WellConnectedWife 1 , HieroBiography 1
army
unit hellenistic cavalry tarentinoi exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit hellenistic skirmisher cavalry hippakontistai slave exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit hellenistic infantry syracuse hoplite exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit hellenistic infantry syracuse hoplite exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit hellenistic infantry thureophoroi exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek skirmisher peltastai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek skirmisher akontistai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek skirmisher akontistai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek missile toxotai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; City: Just outside of Sparte (BUT he dies by script before start of game)
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character Kleomenes Agiados, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 99, , x 139, y 102
traits NaturalIntelligence 4 , NaturalCharisma 2 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 4 , Loyalty 4 , Temperament 5 , TurnsAlive 8 , Spartiates 1 , CommandExperience 4 , GoodTactician 2 , GoodDefender 1 , NumAncillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries wrestler , spear_carrier
army
unit hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0


; City: none - campaigning and obtaining mercenaries on Krete
; Region: Krete
; --------------------
character Areus Agiados, named character, leader, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 55, , x 144, y 94
traits NaturalIntelligence 4 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 2 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 5 , Temperament 3 , TurnsAlive 6 , Spartiates 1 , AreusEurypontidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 4 , GoodTactician 1 , GoodAdministrator 2 , NumancillariesAcquired 3 , YearsPassed 4 , Father 3 , NightBattleCapable 1
ancillaries brilliant_inventor , playwright , clerk
army
unit hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit hellenistic missile cretan archers exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 1
unit greek skirmisher akontistai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek infantry taxeis hoplitai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek infantry taxeis hoplitai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; City: Athenai
; Region: Attike
; --------------------
character Chremonides Aithalidos, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 50, , x 144, y 108
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 5 , NaturalEnergy 5 , Selflessness 1 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 2 , TurnsAlive 5 , Athenaios 1 , ChremonidesAithalidosBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 2 , GoodTrader 2 , GoodTactician 1 , LogisticalSkill 1 , Drink 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries merchant , family_retainer
army
unit greek infantry greek general exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit hellenistic infantry hoplitai exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek infantry taxeis hoplitai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek missile sphendenotai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
; scriptunits - include units below only when human player is Makedonia
;unit greek cavalry hippeis thessalikoi merc exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
;unit hellenistic infantry hoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
;unit hellenistic infantry hoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
;unit greek missile toxotai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; City: Rhodos
; Region: Rhodos
; --------------------
character Agathokles Rhodios, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 67, , x 161, y 101
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 2 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 7 , Rhodios 1 , AgathoklesBiography 1 , CommandExperience 3 , GoodAdministrator 3 , GoodTactician 1 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit greek infantry greek general exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek infantry taxeis hoplitai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek missile sphendenotai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; City: Sparte
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character Akrotatos Agiados, named character, heir, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 23, , x 138, y 103
traits NaturalIntelligence 5 , NaturalCharisma 3 , NaturalEnergy 4 , Selflessness 3 , Loyalty 3 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 2 , Spartiates 1 , AkrotatosBiography 1 , GoodAdministrator 3 , NumancillariesAcquired 2 , GoodDefender 1 , CommandExperience 3 , YearsPassed 4 , NumancillariesAcquired 2 , FirstBorn 1
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek infantry taxeis hoplitai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek skirmisher akontistai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek missile sphendenotai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; City: Sparte
; Region: Lakonike
; --------------------
character Eudamidas Eurypontidos, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 35, , x 138, y 102
traits NaturalIntelligence 2 , NaturalCharisma 1 , NaturalEnergy 2 , Selflessness 1 , Loyalty 2 , Temperament 4 , TurnsAlive 2 , Spartiates 1 , ExpensiveTastes 2 , NumancillariesAcquired 2 , YearsPassed 4 , NumancillariesAcquired 2
ancillaries comedian , family_retainer
army
unit hellenistic infantry spartiateshoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek infantry taxeis hoplitai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit greek skirmisher akontistai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; Region: Peloponnesos (around Elis)
; --------------------
;character Echephron, general, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 20, , x 134, y 106
;army
;unit hellenistic infantry hoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
;unit hellenistic infantry hoplitai exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0


; Region: Sea
; --------------------
character Nikandros Kephaleus, admiral, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 36, , x 143, y 95
army
unit generic ship penteconterai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit generic ship penteconterai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit generic ship penteconterai exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0


; Region: Attike
; --------------------
character Odysseus Kalabrios, diplomat, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 30, , x 143, y 109
traits GoodDiplomat 3 , DiplomatTraining 2

; Region: Krete
; --------------------
character Alkon Koios, spy, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 30, , x 148, y 94
traits GoodSpy 2 , SpyTurnsAlive 2 , AgentTraining 2
ancillaries catamite


;FOW Spies Koinon Hellenon START
;---------------------

; Region: Karia
; --------------------

character Ambrax Korinthios, spy, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 30, , x 160, y 105
traits NaturalSpySkill 3, GoodSpy 5, GoodConspirator 3

;FOW Spies Koinon Hellenon END
;----------------------

character_record Philistis, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 20, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Klymene, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 53, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Harmonia, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 32, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Eunike Agiados, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 50, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Kyra Agiados, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 40, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Alemene Agiados, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 28, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Doros Aithalidos, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 11, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Eugenios Rhodios, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 7, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Nikanor Aithalidos, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 3, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Agis Eurypontidos, male, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 1, alive, never_a_leader
character_record Hermine Agiados, female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 9, alive, never_a_leader

relative Hiero, Philistis, end
relative Kleomenes Agiados, Klymene, Areus Agiados, Eunike Agiados, Kyra Agiados, Alemene Agiados, end
relative Areus Agiados, Harmonia, Akrotatos Agiados, Hermine Agiados, end
relative Chremonides Aithalidos, Eunike Agiados, Doros Aithalidos, Nikanor Aithalidos, end
relative Agathokles Rhodios, Kyra Agiados, Eugenios Rhodios, end
relative Eudamidas Eurypontidos, Alemene Agiados, Agis Eurypontidos, end

what is wrong? I'm pretty sure i have deleted the right things in the "slave"-section..



If you can help with this, we could start discussing how a Syracuse faction symbol would look like. And what color? I suggest blue, since the Syracuse-hoplite is kinda bluish


BTW: This do not mess with the script right? I dont think it will... What about chaging the name of the faction? Would that mess it up?

[Irishmafia2020]

I have seen a "Migration" style mod that gives KH only Syracuse and one family member to start the game. That is not a separate faction per-se, but it is a simplified method of accomplishing this goal. I believe that that person uploaded save games in several different unit sizes/difficulty levels. They were in a thread in the main forum about two weeks ago, so you should check out that person's upload.
Alternatively, you could place a KH family member in Syracuse by placing them in the same coordinates as that city using show_cursorstat, and making sure to remove all rebel forces from the same coordinates. An easy way to do this would be to switch the location coordinates of the greek FM in athens with the coordinates of the rebel FM in Syracuse. Essentially you would then give Athens to rebels, and Syracuse to the KH. You could place all of the KH family members right outside of Syracuse as well, and simply put Macedonian, Epirote, or Ptolemy armies in their place (Sparta and Rhodes). That way on the first turn of the game the entire family of the KH would be located at/near Syracuse while Athens/Rhodes/and Sparta would instantly revert to control of whatever armies you had placed there. I think that that would be the easiest way to create a Syracuse faction, with only a minor possibility of a CTD if you accidentally left two different armies in the same coordinate. I think that I (with only amateur modding experience) could in fact do exactly as I have stated above. The key is to find the coordinate locations of the family members you want to move (shown in the desc_strat file next to their names I think, or at least in another nearby text file) and then find where you want to move them to (Syracuse) by using the Show_cursorstat command. Then you simply replace the old location of that FM with the new one, and make sure you move any other armies (rebels, etc) out of those coordinates so you avoid a CTD. Then you have to rename the KH which is easily done, although I cannot tell you how, as I have never done it myself. Finally, change the colors - again I do not know how to do that. If you want to change units or family names, I cannot give advice on how to do that either, although I have had good luck mapping mercenary units into an existing barracks system (but not with this mod specifically). Anyway, those are my suggestions, and I hope that they are useful to you in your desire to create a unique Syracuse faction.
MF

[Lovejoy]

Yes, you can do it that way. I tried. (But that save-file you talking about is for 1.0)

The problem doin it that way I found out is:

1. If you move your generals to syracuse you would have spartans and Athenians governing syracuse. :P

If you decide to kill all your generals and bribe Hiero(the client ruler in Syracuse) to your side. The problems would be that:

1. As far as I know it impossible to kill your generals kids... so in a couple of years you will have spartans and Athenians growing up in Syracuse.

2. Hiero is a client ruler, so if you bribe him, he cant move. :/

Anyone know a way around these problems?

But if you can live with them.. I guess it works...

[Rovert]

Just Delete The Syracuse Rebel Army And Add A Small Army Of Hoplites
Just Outside Syracuse For The Greeks And Take The Empty Town Off The Start Of The Game

No Family Member Crap

[Irishmafia2020]

I don't know enough about the ethnicities of the KH, but if their is a "Syracusian" ethnicity, perhaps you could add that to the starting KH f/m and remove athenian/spartan/rhodian. Then you would have an ethnically pure factionand you wouldn't have to bribe or kill anyone off (just move them to sicily).

[Teleklos Archelaou]

You could remove the children from the descr_strat.txt at the start of the game - that would keep them from being "born" later when you don't want them popping up.

[Fish-got-a-Sniper]

Couldn't you just remove the client ruler trait from Hiero and give him and all starting units to KH while removing all other starting family members and giving Hiero a son or two?

[Rovert]

I don't know enough about the ethnicities of the KH, but if their is a "Syracusian" ethnicity, perhaps you could add that to the starting KH f/m and remove athenian/spartan/rhodian. Then you would have an ethnically pure factionand you wouldn't have to bribe or kill anyone off (just move them to sicily).

I play KH most of the time and u get family members from everywhere there is greek culture including Syracuse.

[Fish-got-a-Sniper]

Don't give up on this one, it looks promising.

[Irishmafia2020]

This is a brief explanation that I gave in a different thread on how to use the method that I suggest to give KH ownership of Syracuse at the begining of the game. In this post I was trying to explain how to remove a FM from Athens, and replace him with the FM/garrison from another faction. This is similar in principle to removing the rebels in Syracuse, and replacing them with an existing KH FM/garrison.

"You don't have to switch ownership at all, just remove the FM/ army from Athens (or wherever) and put an army from whatever faction you want into Athens. The result is that Athens will immediately become whatever faction occupies it's city. I swear, I have done exactly that with good results. Use show_cursorstat to find the coordinates of Athens, and then search the desc_strat file for those coordinates using the edit function, and that will show you the FM/garrison that is in those coordinates. Move that FM/garrison to another location (using new coordinates found with show_cursorstat) and then place whoever you want into the Athens coordinates. Viola, Athens belongs to a different faction, and KH's army is on Syracuse (or wherever you choose to put it). The coordinates will look something like this (X34, Y45) and that is how everything is placed on the map at the beginning of the game. Editing the coordinates next to the FM's in the desc_strat file moves their initial location. I am telling you that in my experience this is the easiest method of giving any faction control over any city at the begining of the game. Only one file has to be edited, but back up the original, and don't get greedy (make one modification at a time) as any mistake could cause a CTD."

[Bactron]

I play KH most of the time and u get family members from everywhere there is greek culture including Syracuse.

KH faction have no Syracusan ethnicity (or at least it was the case in 1.0 when I played for them) KH has only following ethnicities rhodian, kres (Crete), athenian, spartan, ionian and (forgot the name) ethnicity for the greek around Pontos Euxionos.

However there is Syracusan ethnicity for Epirotes!

[Ayce]

He can just rename the bosphoran trait for syracusan and mod the description.

[Fish-got-a-Sniper]

So is any work being done on this?