Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

[TinCow]

I was referring to capo.

As for mafia sitting back, this is often cited. But you certainly wouldn't expect me to sit back as mafia--it's really dependent on the person, usually the have to maintain their style. And even if they wanted to sit back, they don't always have that choice. It's also really simple to not join a bandwagon and I doubt that they will be found by that.

No, I wouldn't expect you to sit back, but you're at the bottom of my list of suspects at the moment. Contrary to some of the others, I very much approved of you posting about the prostitute PM you received. It was a pro-town thing to do, and it's a big positive in your favor now that Andres has confirmed that he is sending those PMs.

I wouldn't sit back either, but I just don't get enough of a mafia vibe from any of the major posters at this point. At this point in the game, I'm just trying to avoid lynching townies while I wait for the pro-town roles to do their jobs.

[PershsNhpios]

Well, at the risk of looking like a fabricating criminal - and at the risk of someone drawing lines between me and Sasaki once more - I quote the PM I received from Andres last night..

"Night 2 - a sweet night

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You were alone in your room, reading an old newspaper.

The smell of perfume caught your attention.

A voice, the sound of an angel, said to you: "Hi honey, shall I make your night a bit more interesting?"

Angelica came near. She was H-O-T.

You begged her to shave off all your body hair. You also begged her not to give you electro shocks, secretly hoping that she would ignore that last request.

A night without body hair and electro shocks going through your nostrils was all you ever dreamt of.

Andres."

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I am not proud of the fantasies he discovered for me!
Wait a moment - when did Andres post that he was looking forward to what he could write up as my fantasies?
If he wrote that at night - it could well be proof that I am innocent!

In any case - those of you who assume this quote as truth - will know that I cannot possibly have taken part in the three maximum killings.

There is a prostitute out there who can prove that, though I don't expect them to come forth yet - they can prove I am innocent.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Just to clarify the 'family' comment was:

'Why do you hate my family?'

The Carellis would have no idea what Taketsi was on about as I think they are merely lackeys in the power structure of their family. On the other hand Taketsi knows exactly what hes doing in Taormina, removing a threat to the prestige of his family.

Also, as mentioned, the Carellis have no way of investigating to find Taketsi, all they can do is kill everyone... right?

On the evidence we have it would seem that MaKaiKhann was a Carelli. However apart from confirming that one possible killer is down, how does this help?

[Privateerkev]

On the evidence we have it would seem that MaKaiKhann was a Carelli. However apart from confirming that one possible killer is down, how does this help?

Well, we need to keep this in mind when Khaan comments. After his death, he posted a very strong post against Ichigo telling us to lynch him.

This could be for a few reasons.

1.) Ichigo could have been the yakuza and Khaan was getting revenge.

2.) Khaan is just helping his Carelli buddy by throwing suspicion on a townie.

3.) It could mean nothing and khaan just could have been a townie.

I'm leaning towards 2 without discounting 1. But I do think Ichigo is hiding something. He has been lurking for almost an hour since I first posted my vote. And he is online and reading this thread right now.

[PershsNhpios]

For all this speculation on who was what in the killing;

It all depends on one thing.

That the Mafia and the Assassin and all the bad guys knew exactly who was who and took to each other with amazing skill very early in the game.

I doubt very much everything will occur so neatly for them.

In the same way nobody takes all their evidence from the reasonings of another player - nobody should take all their evidence from the host's reports either.

[naut]

I get the feeling that khaan's killer knew him or knew of him. Where khaan did not seem to know his killer.

Taketsi can investigate people to find out if they are Carellis. Therefore, I think he would only kill a Carelli if he investigated him first. And if Taketsi is just killing random townies, I don't think he would make the comment about "family". Also, Taketsi is famous for being "cruel". Stringing the guy up and letting him hang for a bit before dropping him sounds cruel to me.

Since the Carelli's can't investigate, I don't think they would target Taketsi directly. If they hit him, it would just be because they assumed he's another townie. So I don't see them saying the "family" comment.

Alright, that makes sense, Taketsi killed a Carelli. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

It's too bad townies only have teh Lynch for a weapon. If we could form vig teams, it'd give us something to do while we wait for detective results to get revealed, if they ever do.

I must say, I don't envy the detective. Seems like a tough job.

[pevergreen]

It seems to be an under-the-radar case of simple retaliation, the kind of thing one would expect from pevergreen.

I love how highly you think of me.

I vote OMGUS votes early, as I have nothing to go on.

Continual *****ing about me will just make me vote you again and again or just quit mafia.

[Privateerkev]

For all this speculation on who was what in the killing;

It all depends on one thing.

That the Mafia and the Assassin and all the bad guys knew exactly who was who and took to each other with amazing skill very early in the game.

Not all of them. For my theory on Taketsi killing a Carelli to be correct, just requires one thing. And that is for Taketsi to have investigated Khaan in Night 1. Maybe something Khaan said tipped him off. Maybe he got lucky. Maybe he is a veteran who knows Khaan is a veteran. Either way, if he did investigate Khaan, and found out he was a Carelli, it would make sense to whack him as soon a possible. Taketsi wouldn't want the Carelli's taking him out by accident by assuming he is just another townie. Plus he has to kill the Carelli's for his victory requirement. Of course he could just leave Carelli's alive so they kill more of us for him. But that still risks them killing him by accident.

[Csargo]

(To Ichigo)

If you mention that it seems to make me appear innocent, then there must be some proof of my innocence therein - because I attempted only to use moderation in how I view the different players.

No, it means I think you're trying to fabricate an air of innocence to make yourself seem innocent.

Your post count has been down in general in recent games (capo etc). Your posts this game have an air of someone trying avoid a negative reaction. It is easy for mafia to make a pro-town appearance by pointing out mistakes in one of glenn's posts. Everyone makes mistakes, pointing them out is easy. Actual analysis is much harder to fake.

Yet again I ask you what posts you're referring too.

I did not point out mistakes in Glenn's posts, I asked him questions.

As to your theory PK I cannot disprove what you say. I can only say I am not a killer.

[PershsNhpios]

Of course, but with a great many players, and not alot of posts from Khaan, it would still require alot of luck.

But let's not speculate on this too much, or we will be accused of WIFOM.

PK, have we in your opinion enough evidence to lynch Ichigo?

[Privateerkev]

As to your theory PK I cannot disprove what you say. I can only say I am not a killer.

I believe you.

unvote Ichigo; vote Abstain

I still think Khaan is mafia. But I think he is trying to get us to lynch Ichigo to cover his comrade.

I voted to get you talking. And to start conversation on my theory. I still don't know what is going on but I am convinced for now you are not Mafia.

[Crazed Rabbit]

vote: Glenn

Because frankly I don't like the cut of his jib.

CR

[pevergreen]

Vote: Glenn
Never trust anyone when they say that, everyone will always say that.

With one or two exceptions.

[Privateerkev]

Is Glenn the next verbose player that is going to get band-wagoned on?

I have seen nothing in his posts that lead me to believe he is mafia.

[woad&fangs]

Unvote: Sigurd; Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Both Carellis and Taketsi were active last night. Glenn was blocked by the prostitute(unless he has the IQ of a chickpea and felt the need to fabricate an alibi that is ridiculously easy to disprove). So, annoying as Glenn may be, he is innocent and it is silly to vote for innocents.

And O my I'm internally narrating everything I think or read in the voice of Yahtzee the game reviewer.

[PershsNhpios]

Ichigo, what is the difference between someone with an air of innocence and someone with a fabricated air of innocence.

When the latter has innocence fabricated by his nature, and the one has his nature fabricated by innocence?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

vote: Glenn

Because frankly I don't like the cut of his jib.

CR

And quite frankly sir, your reasoning is non-existent. W&F, raises an excellent point, atm Glenn is innocent. Do you have proof to the contrary?

FOS: Crazed Rabbit

[Privateerkev]

CR's posting history:

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Curses! I am doomed not to live as an interesting person in this interesting time.

CR

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Hilarious!

And on that note,
vote: GeneralHankerchief

I've seen your whilings and connivings and I won't stand for you to ruin this recently catastrophically devastated town.

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What, why was Glenn suspicious of me in the first place?

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vote: Glenn

Because frankly I don't like the cut of his jib.

Your acting suspicious...

vote: Crazed Rabbit

[Csargo]

Ichigo, what is the difference between someone with an air of innocence and someone with a fabricated air of innocence.

When the latter has innocence fabricated by his nature, and the one has his nature fabricated by innocence?

Fabricate-To concoct in order to deceive

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I'm convinced.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

I await your defence with interest.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Can't say I didn't see this coming...

Okay, it's simple - I would never post like this if I was guilty. It's not WIFOM because what I've done can only really make me look guilty; it can only increase (significantly) the chance of myself being lynched. I win often when I am mafia, because I don't do this sort of stuff. Even making this argument that no mafioso would post these things does not make this WIFOM - I am still much more likely to get lynched than if I hadn't written those oddball posts (I'd estimate 1/3 to 1/2 chance of me getting lynched this round, but that might be lowballing it. If I hadn't put that last post up I would be nearly completely safe).

CR

PS- What's funny is everyone ignoring pever's quick (11 minute) bandwagon on my obviously without substance vote on Glenn.

[woad&fangs]

Unvote: CR; Vote: Curio

You're third on a fairly weak bandwagon. Could you please explain what has caused you to change your opinion of CR?

[PershsNhpios]

??!

What kind of defense was that CR?!

That was terrible, I have respect for you as a Mafia player!

Pevergreen was ignored because he is like those little fish that scavenge off the backs of Whales, and in this case, Bandwagons.

There is substantial evidence conclusive enough that suspicion should at least be raised against CrazedRabbit, especially considering everyone was happy to kill off Ichigo for far less.

FOS: W&F and CrazedRabbit

Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites

A player whom seems to be involved thoroughly in most games, and is extremely good at playing the criminal - I have a nasty vibe coming from him - and instead of leaping on all the bandwagons that come my way, I would prefer to seek out those who deserve attention.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Tut tut, my suspicion of CR, whilst it hasn't been announced in thread has been persisting for a while, and while I was searching the forum for CR's previous posts, looks like PK beat me to it. Theres no point in posting the same (albeit fairly weak) evidence twice. If you'll turn your attention to the thread, I had an FOS on him before I went of searching. What's this third on a bandwagon thing anyway (I'm new).

Edit: In other words, I was trying to put pressure on CR to explain himself. As of yet I'm still not satisfied, so my vote shall remain. Honestly,

I can't be guilty because I'd put more effort in avoiding suspicion if I was...

I don't buy it... I'm sorry.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So CR, is there an explanation for your posting history then? Or is just strictly to not get lynched?

[Privateerkev]

Can't say I didn't see this coming...

Okay, it's simple - I would never post like this if I was guilty. It's not WIFOM because what I've done can only really make me look guilty; it can only increase (significantly) the chance of myself being lynched. I win often when I am mafia, because I don't do this sort of stuff. Even making this argument that no mafioso would post these things does not make this WIFOM - I am still much more likely to get lynched than if I hadn't written those oddball posts (I'd estimate 1/3 to 1/2 chance of me getting lynched this round, but that might be lowballing it. If I hadn't put that last post up I would be nearly completely safe).

CR

PS- What's funny is everyone ignoring pever's quick (11 minute) bandwagon on my obviously without substance vote on Glenn.

I don't know how you post in other games. But, when I made my vote, you had made only 4 short posts since the game started. Two of those were votes for little reason. Or at a least poorly explained reason. Hence, my suspicion.

As for pever, there seems to be some OOC tension between the two of them. I didn't want to make it worse. I hope that we can all

It's just a game.

[Caius]

Tut tut, my suspicion of CR, whilst it hasn't been announced in thread has been persisting for a while, and while I was searching the forum for CR's previous posts, looks like PK beat me to it. Theres no point in posting the same (albeit fairly weak) evidence twice. If you'll turn your attention to the thread, I had an FOS on him before I went of searching. What's this third on a bandwagon thing anyway (I'm new).

The third is guilty.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

CR hasn't done anything incriminating in my book.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

The third is guilty.

Thanks for the enlightenment!

On what pretext?

[PershsNhpios]

I want to explain further my vote on OA, so that it is neither ignored or taken as my wish for him to die.

I have no evidence linking him to guilt, however Omanes, when I PMed him asking advice and his opinion on players in the thread, responded in a manner that I found disjointed.

What I am saying is he is either not interested in this game, or he is lurking.

And in every game Omanes lurks within, he is a Mafioso, when he plays a townie he always comes forth with large analysis and opinions.
He is too good a player to do otherwise, and I think more attention should be paid to Omanes and the other lurkers like him.

FOS: Omanes Alexandrapolites

Unvote: Omanes Alexandrapolites Vote: CrazedRabbit

It is doubtful I will change my vote again, especially if things remain as they are and no great events occur.

(Where have all the tallies gone... long time.. ago?