Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

[Northnovas]

If Anderlecht wins the cup on Sunday, make sure to have one on me. I'll have several on you guys

I'm so not looking forward to Monday morning

If it's okay I started a couple hours ago it is the Friday of a long weekend here. I am not sure about the wekend weather but the suds are definitely flowing.

So if it is soccer and Anderlecht or hockey and the Red Wings I will have a few for you and everyone else Taormina all weekend.

Alcohol the solution.... and cause to all our problems. Homer Simpson.

[Husar]

OOC: Hus.. why are you not in the chat?

I was running out of reasons to go there and took the logical consequence, or in other words: just because.

I still have no idea how you got an out of bed result on me because I cannot perform any night actions, and just because you're not yakuza doesn't mean you're pro-town either, you could be the crazy detective whose goal is to get wrong results on people and lynch them based on that, while we're at the topic of thinking up roles.
I actually think you found a convenient way to get me lynched, if you wanted to hear more from me in round 1 already, why was all you did vote for me? Despite what you said earlier one vote will hardly make me talk more.

Besides, using WLAN as an excuse for not posting your PM sounds pretty fishy to me, if your WLAN really slows down your internet that it takes two minutes to load a page I wonder how you can chat in the chat.

Concerning my reactions because you all talk about them, some people here know I will always have strong reactions opposing Sigurd in a mafia game because he is a very good player and superb bender of truth(liar) and it never seems hard for him to get people on his side which is why I'm never satisfied shooting blanks at him and get out the big guns right away.

[pevergreen]

Chat doesnt take time to load posts.

Im on Wireless as well (most of the time)

It will take 4-5 minutes to load a full page of normal posts, 1-2 minutes to open pm box, 2 minutes to have the pm load.

(takes 4-5 minutes as im 80 posts per page)

[Husar]

Chat doesnt take time to load posts.

Just because you never had lag in the chat doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Im on Wireless as well (most of the time)

It will take 4-5 minutes to load a full page of normal posts, 1-2 minutes to open pm box, 2 minutes to have the pm load.

(takes 4-5 minutes as im 80 posts per page)

I also use WLAN to browse sometimes and it isn't slow, not if you get more than one or two of those bars in Windows anyway in which case you're either too far away from the router or have a bad WLAN adapter. I know there was a lso the game etc but he didn't even attempt to post a PM before Andres(could've made a second post) and now he wonders why noone believes him. It's not unlikely that he was just lacking time to forge a believable role PM.

[pevergreen]

He gambled by making up results for people he didnt know anything about then.

He got it right.

Explain that?

[Husar]

He got it right.

Who said he got anything right apart from you and him?

[Northnovas]

Chat doesnt take time to load posts.

Im on Wireless as well (most of the time)

It will take 4-5 minutes to load a full page of normal posts, 1-2 minutes to open pm box, 2 minutes to have the pm load.

(takes 4-5 minutes as im 80 posts per page)

Are you serious on the load speeds!? Dial up on a phone modem here would be faster then your wireless; in fact a handheld can load the forum pages under 20 seconds.
In most cases depending on provider high speed LAN or wireless in North America are the same and the download is in seconds. I thought the wireless, WIFI were the same globally for speed.

Anyone surfing on the above speeds truly have the patience of Job and dedication to the game.

[Sigurd]

Alright... let’s put this point of the discussion behind us once and for all.

I was watching a game on the telly. It was the quarterfinal in the world championship of ice hockey between Norway and Canada.
While watching, I pulled up my laptop and connected to my wireless. Husar you of all should remember that when I am on a wireless, I always drop out several times when I am in the chat. My internet connection is fairly fast, but once I am connected wireless it is not stable as I can get disconnected several times during a few minutes. Sometimes it will be as fast as when using a cable, but often it will halt to a crawl and refreshing a page can take minutes. It could be that these problems stems from the fact that I have frozen a single IP as the connection for the D-Link router. The D-Link router is connected to my DMZ from the time I used to download huge files. I should change it back to DHCP, but I don't use it that often anymore.

I know this is hard for you computer nerds to understand (OOC: ), but when your mind is in a hockey game, emotion seethes.
You remember something about a mafia game and a magic time at around 22:00 hours. Damn, the game is not finished yet. Ah well, I 'll just flip open the laptop to place a vote. But lo and behold, you are just about getting lynched and you have not a clue why. You back trail some post to see what is up. The damn page wont load the page and you get the message of broken connection.
Oh wait the game … Damn Canadians just put our forward through their goal, what is going on? Yeah get in there and bash some heads, stupid!! Hahaha the Canucks get three on the penalty bench. Come on guys!!! ... What? Husar seems to have started this bandwagon. Oh, the nerve of that guy ... Come on Norway, you are in power play; put that puck behind that fat goalie.
Ah, yes Husar… I’ll just put my first investigation in there with my post. Hehe ...
How stupid can one be; getting a penalty when in power-play? Take it easy guys. The Canucks are not unbeatable. Damn one fast goal against us. The spirit is breaking up. What time is it? Damn it is past ten ... Hmm, Sasaki mentions something about the investigation thing. Ah well, I guess I am dead, why not? Crap, the page is not loading. Come on, get going!! There, finally an edit box. Now, what to write? I’ll just ... What?!! Another goal against us? What is happening to the Norwegians? Damn guys, pull yourself together, you got more stamina than this ... Ah yes, the investigations. I’ll just paraphrase.
There that’ll do. Back to the hockey game … Hmm a pm. Sasaki is asking me to remove my last investigation? Alright, maybe my result is revealing a pro-town role. Ah damn, come on you stupid page; load, load. There, changed. All is happy ... Oh no, the team is breaking apart *jumps out of couch* COME ON!!!! WORK!!, WORK!! Damn, to many goals for the Canucks, the game is lost and Andres just put a bullet through the head of my character. Oh, another pm.. hmm, Privateerkev thank me for removing his name. A pm with a subject of IC and signed Kevin. I guess I stumbled into something there.

This is a true story and should explain in detail why it went down the way it went down.
No need to discuss the finer details, when in an emotional uproar, common sense is not working properly.

[axel]

Hi all

the discussion is that a part of the game or when do you vote? when do you suspect sommeone?
wots the CHAT ?
please help a bit

[Northnovas]

Alright... let’s put this point of the discussion behind us once and for all.

I was watching a game on the telly. It was the quarterfinal in the world championship of ice hockey between Norway and Canada.

Okay I can see where this going.

I know this is hard for you computer nerds to understand (OOC: ), but when your mind is in a hockey game, emotion seethes.

Testify brother! I am listening! I will be in the same state Sunday afternoon.

How stupid can one be; getting a penalty when in power-play? Take it easy guys. The Canucks are not unbeatable.

Well this could be construed as a false statement.

This is a true story and should explain in detail why it went down the way it went down.

It's the World Hockey Championship I can see this happening to any hockey fan.

Axel there is a chat room in the Org it is up on top of the threads beside the USER CP and Favorites. members will sometimes go in there and converse.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Before I go, Vote:Abstain

Events are moving too quickly currently for me, in good conscience, to vote for someone, who knowing my luck will then get lynched because of me.

However, FOS: Husar, Little Grizzly, and Haudegan

Tally:

sarathos: 4 (Mithrandir, Sasaki Kojiro, pevergreen, Elite Ferret)

Haudegen: 4 (TinCow, Proletariat, Northnovas, Privateerkev)

Looks like I was right...

[Privateerkev]

Oh, another pm.. hmm, Privateerkev thank me for removing his name. A pm with a subject of IC and signed Kevin. I guess I stumbled into something there.

At least one lie buried in a very good story.

My PM to Ichigo is on the thread around here. Everyone knows I sign my PM's as "Kevin".


I am quite convinced Sigurd is mafia. But I am puzzled as to how there could be more yakuza kills out there. I have two guesses.

a.) There were 2 yakuza at the beginning of the game. or,

b.) Sigurd was able to recruit a yakuza before he got lynched.

I know people are skeptical of the whole recruiting thing but it was done in Capo 2, and done in a slightly different way in Netherworld. I do not believe it is beyond the realm of possibility. But like many of my ideas, I am pulling this one out of a particular orifice of mine. It's just a guess.

I've said this before but it bares repeating. If Sigurd's post about me and Husar was false, perhaps his post about Pevergreen was false as well. I suggest giving Pevergreen more scrutiny. He should not get a pass all because Sigurd says he is innocent.

I also find it curious that Sigurd is posting far more now that he is dead, than when he was alive. I guess he was laying low as yakuza but now is trying to cover for his buddy. (pevergreen perhaps?)

[TinCow]

I know people are skeptical of the whole recruiting thing but it was done in Capo 2, and done in a slightly different way in Netherworld. I do not believe it is beyond the realm of possibility. But like many of my ideas, I am pulling this one out of a particular orifice of mine. It's just a guess.

It bears mentioning that the description given for Manfredo implies that he can join the town or the mafia. Anyone with access to this role PM would probably have information on "recruiting." He also did not kill on night 3 and thus would have been found innocent, and was probably out of his room investigating on Night 3 to make sure that Ichigo was Juliette. Would the great similarities between this role and the allegations made against you be entirely coincidental?

[Privateerkev]

It bears mentioning that the description given for Manfredo implies that he can join the town or the mafia. Anyone with access to this role PM would probably have information on "recruiting." He also did not kill on night 3 and thus would have been found innocent, and was probably out of his room investigating on Night 3 to make sure that Ichigo was Juliette. Would the great similarities between this role and the allegations made against you be entirely coincidental?

Reading up on prior mafia games have given me ideas. Some things have puzzled me about this game so I've wondered if my ideas have merit. I share my ideas with the thread so others can benefit from my analysis and give their ideas. So, therefore, yes it is merely a coincidence. I would dare say it is an "entire coincidence."

I understand that your "deep reading" of my posts is to help the town and I don't blame you. But you are simply barking up the wrong tree on this one. I don't expect you to believe that but I'll say it anyways so you can't say I didn't warn you. :D

[Andres]

Night 5 - Conclusion

OOC: Anderlecht won the cup, so please, if soemthing isn't clear from the write-upe, I'll correct it when I'm sober.

Here weg oo...



Woohooe!!

Husar left his room.

While he walked through the corridor, he was hit by a hard kick on his knees.

Husar fell down. Another kick hit him on the head.

Almost unconscious, he tried to look up.

A well placed kick chopped of Husar's right arm. Before Husar could scream, another kick chopped of his left arm.

"Guess you're defeated," his attacker said.

"No! I'm not," Husar screamed. Somehow, he got up to his feet and he started to yell at his attacker.

"Come over here, you coward! Are you afraid of an armless man! Gah! Attack me! Come on!"

Two well placed kicks chopped of Husar's legs. Husar kept taunting his attacker until he bleeded to dead.

***

Rythmic didn't go to his room that night. Instead he went to the local church, to pray.

While he was saying his prayers, a man entered the church.

"Are you also here to pray, Mister?", Rythmic politely said to the man.

The answer of the man consisted of three bullets in Rythmic's stomach.

Rythmic bleeded to dead, his attacker slowly left the scene.

***

pevergreen was walking down one the many narrow streets of Taormina.

"Wait!", a man said.

"Huh? Who are you?", pevergreen asked.

"Just wait! Don't move! I'm an evil mafioso!" the man said, looking a bit nervous.

pevergreen looked at the pale looking man's face. "You, a mafioso? You can barely stop trembling! HAHAHAHAHA!"

"Don't you mock me! I'm a mafioso! I'm professional! I have a gun."

"Sure you have", pevergreen said. He turned his back, shaking his head and laughing. What a silly guy that was.

However, the man indeed had a gun. His hands were trembling while he fired three shots. One shot accidentally hit pevergreen in the leg.

"Hurray!" the man yelled. He moved closer to pever, pointed the gun at his head an fired a few more bullets.

pevergreen died instantly.

***

Haudegen was drunk that night. Because of the killings he was the only one left in his hotel. While he was having his 10th amaretto, a man entered the bar.

The cat 'o nine talis hit him very hard. He dropped his glass and fell on his knees. The man grabbed Haudegen and tied him up. He stripped off Haudegen's shirt.

The cat 'o nine tails hit Haudegen over and over again. After an hour, Haudegen body consisted of some bloody pulp. Allthough he was already dead, the man kept whipping him over and over again.

Finally satisfied, he took the latest Beirut&Decker chainsaw. The man grinned.

Later that day, people found Haudegen's head on a spear, near Ichigo's fresh grave...

***
Day 5.



Porta Messina - Taormina - 7.30 a.m.

The people of Taormina gathered near the Porta Messina. They saw Pino's body in a pool of blood.

Without a real leader, they didn't know what to do. They figured they should continue to do what they always did so far.

And so they started to vote. Again...

****

Alive (17)

Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Gaius Sribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
LittleGrizzly
Mithrandir
axel
Makanyane
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat

Killed (12)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
pevergreen
Rythmic
Husar
Haudegen


Lynched (4)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sarathos

WoG'ed (2)
Zorg
TwilightBlade

Suicide (3)

Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk

***


It's day. Start voting.

[Privateerkev]

Well crap...

Seems that the detective is dead, there was no mention of the prostitute, and pever is now dead.

Ok, I am well and truly clueless as to what is going on and I need to be AFK for the rest of the evening.

[TinCow]

Seems that the detective is dead

Since you apparently knew the identity of the detective, mind telling the rest of us who it was?

[Husar]

I find my writeup a bit weird, Andres.

Also I would like to note that I am actually a bit suspicious of Privateerkev, let's just say I only tried to discredit Sigurd to save my life which obviously(and expectedly) didn't really work for long now that I got so much attention.

Ah well, like I said, the town is in pretty bad shape, looks like we have 13 townies and at least 4 killers.

It also seems obvious that the mafia, at least one group of them(if they're not working together already...) is killing all our suspects trying to leave us clueless.
And that lads, is why we have to looks at the innocent guys, those who are most "helpful" to the town and lynch them. Since I'm dead I guess I should not include myself in that list.

Well, I already mentioned Privateerkev, then there is TinCow and Sasaki, Northnovas is highly suspect as well IMO, very much under the radar this game and also helped me discredit Sigurd which is very scummy in 2 ways (1. people who side with me are often scum says my experience; 2. like I already said I tried to discredit Sigurd not because I believed he was necessarily wrong but to avoid the consequences of going into the opposite direction).

I'm now starting to have doubts about Proletariat again because what I previously saw as a reason to think of her as innocent is not necessarily valid anymore and she also sided with me against Sigurd.

My thoughts about Makanyane equal a void, maybe more analysis is required here.

Concerning the identity of the detective, wasn't Pino the detective? The writeup says he lay in his own blood so that would mean he is dead, wouldn't it?

Ah yes, there is also Gaius Scribonius Curio who from what I heard and feel should be a prime candidate for the gallows as well, I could envision him as a team with Northnovas but it could also be my fantasy going wild.

Well, these are my thoughts, mainly based on intuition etc. because in previous games my intuition was usually way better than my "evidence"...

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Sasaki

Ugh, I am completely confused.

edit: I'm in agreement with Husar. I could easily see Sasaki and PK leading the town around by the butthairs. I was also suspicious of Curio at one point. I'll have to recheck why and see if that reasoning still stands.

[KukriKhan]

I find my writeup a bit weird, Andres.

Hee-hee. He made you The Black Knight..

I've kept up with the thread, even though I'm dead, just to see what happens. Total observation: no clue. Victims seem picked at random. At this rate of killing and lynching, game should be over in 3 days.

Then we get the summary, and find out what was what (and who was whom).

-edit-
pever's killer sounds like a "new" hitman, a Nervous Nelly, a murderer who has hidden in the background until now. Maybe axel, whose behavior in-thread mirrors that of the inexperienced killer?

[pevergreen]

Whoever he is...he better watch out.

I've been reborn. pevergreen is dead, peverpink rises from the ashes.

[Northnovas]

How stupid can one be; getting a penalty when in power-play? Take it easy guys. The Canucks are not unbeatable.

Okay this statement is now true and it was a damn penalty that lost the game.

As for Husar post I am innocent just a townie with no role and I would also like to add what does PK know about the detective role. I have PK a townie like me am I wrong!?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Things to be drawn from the write-up.

It seems that Haudegan was killed by the brother. It may be a leap of faith, but the fact that the head was stuck on a spear, may mean that he found Manfredo? If so that means that there is no possibility of a pro-town vigilante.

Husar seems to have been killed by the Yakusa (Martial Arts) so we know Taketski is still around. We also know that he has to kill everyone, so there may not be an ulterior motive for having Husar as a target.

I'd suggest that Rythmic was the detective. I'd imagine the detective as a religious and polite guy. I'd guess a Carelli killing, a professional job, but if my first theory above is wrong then it could also have been Manfredo.

Finally, the nervous guy and Pevergreen. I need to check this against what happened in thread. If Pever insulted someone, they'd definitely be on the list of suspects, the theory about it being Axel would seem to be the best atm.

[TinCow]

As for Husar post I am innocent just a townie with no role and I would also like to add what does PK know about the detective role. I have PK a townie like me am I wrong!?

Nice of you to mention that you're just a plan old townie twice in two sentences. You seem to be reacting overly defensive for a paper-thin accusation by a dead person whose own reputation wasn't exactly sterling.

Vote: Northnovas

It seems that Haudegan was killed by the brother. It may be a leap of faith, but the fact that the head was stuck on a spear, may mean that he found Manfredo? If so that means that there is no possibility of a pro-town vigilante.

This is a gem of an analysis and one that I totally missed when reading the write-up. Re-reading it, I completely agree with your interpretation of the events. It's very possible that the MiB has just killed Manfredo. I haven't checked, but I think Sasaki, PK, and I are the only people left who voted for Ichigo. If the grinning man kills none of us tonight, I think we can assume he got Manfredo.

[Northnovas]

Nice of you to mention that you're just a plan old townie twice in two sentences. You seem to be reacting overly defensive for a paper-thin accusation by a dead person whose own reputation wasn't exactly sterling.

Vote: Northnovas

I didn't realize he was dead so I was just defending myself but like any mafia game when one defends their name they become suspicious. A vote for me is only pro mafia because it will be a wasted lynch.

I am just trying to figure what role you since N1. I can't imagine you not being in the thick of things. Possible the MiB and now you have aquired your target there won't be anymore kills??

[Csargo]

The first and third kills were interesting...

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

The first and third kills were interesting...

You mean with the victims bleeding slowly to death? Do you think there is a connection?

I think that would be unlikely, but possible.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Ok, seen as I've done my knee playing football against a bunch of obnoxious scallys (or chavs, depending on your preference), and I can't be bothered walking to the library from the cafe, its time for a little in-depth analysis...

Alive (17)

Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
LittleGrizzly
Mithrandir
axel
Makanyane
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat

We know from the write-up that there are at least four killers. Unfortunately, due to the verbose nature of some of the remaining people, there is a chance for others to lurk and remain undetected. There are three groups of people on this list. Those who have been relatively talkative in game, those who have been helpful or analytical, but not overly loud, and the lurkers. Not one group is above suspicion!!!

The first group would consist of: PrivateerKev, myself (Curio), and possibly Tincow and Makanyane, of those who are left. Posting styles and plans and ideas etc. should be relatively plain to see. Guilty or innocent? Thats your call.

The second group would containWoad&Fangs, Sasaki,
Northnovas, Omanes, Little Grizzly and Proletariat. Their motives and patterns are not so easy to see. However, they have been posting and trying to help (or mislead) the town. Most of these participants have come under suspicion at one point or another, and managed to produce a satisfactory answer for their actions, or in Omanes case, lack of them. Northnovas and Little Grizzly, haven't as yet, but a guilty til proven innocent attitude with such a high ratio of mafia to town left, is verging on ridiculous. If there is evidence, by all means produce it, but wanton accusations prove nothing.

Finally the lurkers! Tiberius of the Drake, Caius, Elite Ferret, Mithrandir, Axel, Bananabob and Tratorix have all had relatively little to say, and extremely little that has been of use. Axel and any other relatively new player (Mithrandir? I haven't been around long enough to know who is new), perhaps have an excuse. Also EF, has come in half-way through and could be yet to form a complete and informed opinion. However Caius, Tiberius of the Drake and Tratorix, I know have experiance, yet have been unhelpful and no-one has brought them to bear over this.

FOS: Little Grizzly, Caius, Tiberius of the Drake and Tratorix.

Little Grizzly has given no satisfactory defense of himself (afaik, please point this out if he has and I will retract this), and yet is suddenly guilt-free. Why? Caius, Tratorix and Tiberius of the Drake, as I've said I have nothing to go off other than their post-histories, which I am reviewing, and would like to hear a defence for their lack of activity.

This has taken me a while so I may be a bit off the pace, and my apologies if any information recorded above is wrong, I am human, I make mistakes, correct me.

Edit: apparently not... lol

[Makanyane]

Have no idea left - except mafia is obviously being cleverer than the rest of us
Vote: Sasaki


Curio, analysis of other people is one thing but you seem to be trying to tell everyone else what they should think of you too - I'm not sure I liked way you grouped yourself with me, TC and PK as 'our'

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Gah! I'm not trying to tell people what they should think of me, and I'm definitely not trying to link anyone together, although upon rereading it does look like that.

I was trying to draw attention to the fact that:

1: No-one, (including me), should be above suspicion.

2: Most people seem to have forgotten about some of our resident lurkers.

and 3: There are people that appear to be putting in time and effort to save the town.

Also my super long-winded post was another (perhaps ill-advised) way of trying to provoke discussion and draw people out over certain issues. Instead it seems to have had the opposite effect (or maybe there is no-one left alive in my time-zone).

If you take exception to the wording however it shall be changed. I tend to type conversationally and therefore don't read what I have already written.

Oh and btw, Vote:Little Grizzly