Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

[Husar]

Ok guys, how can we believe the analysis of people who write names like "Haudagen" or "Mayankane"? The first person to write "Huser" will get banned from my upcoming mafia game* and lose 1000 imaginary rubber-friendship points with me, okay?!

I mean, come on, pipikev and Omaris.**

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*there is none
**this is a friendly reminder, proper reception of possibly included attempts at humor not guaranteed but hoped for

I also think that Northnovas might have been a good lynch, or not.

[Privateerkev]

Ok guys, how can we believe the analysis of people who write names like "Haudagen" or "Mayankane"? The first person to write "Huser" will get banned from my upcoming mafia game* and lose 1000 imaginary rubber-friendship points with me, okay?!

I'm bad at spelling...

[pevergreen]

You can still make an attempt.

If Sigurd was mafia with me, he would not cover, he would distance himself. Any type of contact comes under scrutiny.

I dont like how PK is playing, I say lynch him, then take a look at axel and Omanes.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Ok, seems like I missed an interesting end to the day.

Unfortunately, due to WoGs, suicides and lynches, we won't know how many killers there are left until the beginning of the next day phase.

I don't know what role Sigurd may or may not have had. It doesn't make sense that it was that of Taketski though. There was the killing of Husar, who (in case noone else noticed, I didn't see it in the thread), seems to have been the prostitute. (Evidence for this, the fact that Rythmic, our best candidate for the detective role, tried valiantly to protect Husar, both in thread and via PM. The Carabineri knew the identity of the prostitute remember).

Looking over thread for more clues. We have at most four killers left by my reckoning, the SK (most likely the MiB), Taketski (or as impossible as it sounds a copycat killer, I'd discount this), and either two Carellis or one Carelli and Manfredo. This is assuming that the 'new' nervous killer was one of the above. With the evidence to hand, I'd hazard a guess that he was, but perhaps hadn't killed before. The fact that before firing he tells the victim (I haven't bothered going back for details): 'I'm an evil Mafioso' (or something along those lines), indicates inexperiance and precludes the appearance of a pro-town killer. I believe that this means that he is one of the Carellis, Gianluca, who seems from the original storyline to be unhappy at killing everyone. Manfredo and Taketski are both hardened professionals, so it is neither of them. I don't believe that another 'Mafioso' would appear at such a late stage in the game, a secret role maybe, but not a 'Mafioso'.

The SK (or MiB), will not stop until all those who 'insulted' his precious sister are dead. However, his lynching should not be our first priority. When his objective is acheived, it seems likely that he will stop killing and revert to a normal 'townie' state, losing his killing abilities but with the same objective of saving the town (please feel free to disagree, I don't know whether this would ordinarily be the case).

Taketski and any Carellis must be what we as a town investigate and try to dig up clues on. Their collective objectives, while distinct from each other culminate in wiping out the townies. There are at most three of these left although my personal opinion is that Oojebus was one of these. I do not believe Sigurd was Taketski (as stated above). Thus we have Taketski and Gianluca to find.

From this evidence I'd suggest, although this contradicts my suggestion from yesterday that Manferdo is still alive and would repeat Tincow's plea from a few days ago.

Your primary objective is to stay alive. To do so, you must evade death at the hands of the Mafia, who must kill you for their victory, as such, your victory conditions and the towns' coincide. Join the town, it makes sense.

Unfortunately, Manfredo has no way of communicating with the town without betraying his identity. More importantly, even if he wants to help the town, there is no way for him to know who is innocent or guilty, other than the same tools available to the town. Observation and analysis. This is another flaw, as even if he (or she) is truly on the towns side, the hitman is still fallible, and can make mistakes. Which we can ill afford at this stage... I'm assume this would come under the banner of a WIFOM, I could argue this round in circles for days, but, I'd advise Manfredo to at least try and help the town.

We know that Oojebus was guilty, which means that thus far we have removed one threat. At the cost of nearly 3/4 of the town! In other words unless we drastically improve our hit ratio, we haven't got a prayer. Sad and defeatist maybe but true.

I trust that anyone with the towns interests at heart will read this, even if it tells us pretty much nothing, and continues to make suggestions and create discussion which could lead us to discover this darkness in our midst.

We stand at the gates of hell ladies and gentlemen. Let us at least go down fighting!




(, pretentious I know, but meh!)

[KukriKhan]

Lynch the quiet folk. They're your biggest threat.

At the very least, they do you no good. Coming on-board once a day and saying "Oh noes, I don't know who to suspect" is disingenuous. We're all totalWar players here - who doesn't pay attention when signed up for a mission/game? Such a tw player would be laughed off the MP battlefield, and roundly ignored/disinvited to future contests, no?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Lynch the quiet folk. They're your biggest threat.

At the very least, they do you no good. Coming on-board once a day and saying "Oh noes, I don't know who to suspect" is disingenuous. We're all totalWar players here - who doesn't pay attention when signed up for a mission/game? Such a tw player would be laughed off the MP battlefield, and roundly ignored/disinvited to future contests, no?

Don't qutie get your MP refence, but argeed, Get the Lurkers.



I say Get Sasaki And Caius. Seem like the most likey, or almost.

[Csargo]

Where are the other dead townies? GH, CR, Seamus, Kukri, Ichigo, Glenn and Rythmic.
You can't mean to leave the rest out to dry, do you. If the dead were not to influence this game, then it would have been dead stay dead and do not talk.

[Makanyane]

I don't know what role Sigurd may or may not have had. It doesn't make sense that it was that of Taketski though. There was the killing of Husar, who (in case noone else noticed, I didn't see it in the thread), seems to have been the prostitute. (Evidence for this, the fact that Rythmic, our best candidate for the detective role, tried valiantly to protect Husar, both in thread and via PM. The Carabineri knew the identity of the prostitute remember).

........This is assuming that the 'new' nervous killer was one of the above. With the evidence to hand, I'd hazard a guess that he was, but perhaps hadn't killed before. The fact that before firing he tells the victim (I haven't bothered going back for details): 'I'm an evil Mafioso' (or something along those lines), indicates inexperiance and precludes the appearance of a pro-town killer. I believe that this means that he is one of the Carellis, Gianluca, who seems from the original storyline to be unhappy at killing everyone. Manfredo and Taketski are both hardened professionals, so it is neither of them. I don't believe that another 'Mafioso' would appear at such a late stage in the game, a secret role maybe, but not a 'Mafioso'.

I'd agree generally with your assessment, and it will be interesting (hopefully not depressing though I think it might be) to see what the night brings.

Re: Husar - he seemed to be agreeing with others assessment of him being the prostitute and also dropping hints about Prole...

copying the main post here as it seemed to have been overlooked in amongst other arguments.

Right.. so Rytmic was the detective and if Husar was innocent and out all night; that would mean he was the prostitute. Taketsi killed the prostitute and the Mafia killed the detective.
Your intelligence never lets me down honey.

I already said why I argued against you, it was to stay alive, but noone asked why I wanted to stay alive and obviously I'm not allowed to tell, a bit of combination work on the side of the townies would be required but maybe the above quote could help a little(because I also believe Rythmic was the detective).

I'm not sure about Privateerkev being Taketsi, I wonder why you had him as out of bed but most likely innocent and me just out of bed(note that I said earlier that my denial of Sigurd's results was fake, just helping with the combining now).

Also it was not that he made me the Black Knight that was weird about Andres's writeup of my death, it was of a more grammatical nature(hint, hint).
Which also lead me to say that it eradicates the reason I had earlier to say that Prole was likely innocent, let me look for that post...

Well, it could be that she is a female townie just because she's a female female in which case she would not have a male role which would mean that she is not a male killer and thus innocent. One could call that a slip-up on Andres's part but we could stop worrying about her then. It's just a guess but for now it's good enough to lower my suspicion of her.

There it is, well it was a wrong guess, you have to figure out the rest for yourselves. Just a few things I wanted to highlight, maybe someone can make more out of it.

edit: Before I forget it, it's Makanyane and Haudegen, not Makanye and Haudegan...

Re: the new nervous killer - I did wonder if it might have been if that might have been Manfredo, who'd decided to turn mafioso after his hitman mission on Juliette was completed - rather than some other new killer role emerging. He would have been new to the mafia role so that part fits - though first post leads you to think he would have been more confident killer... difference between sniping and killing face to face could account for some nerves.

[Privateerkev]

Re: the new nervous killer - I did wonder if it might have been if that might have been Manfredo, who'd decided to turn mafioso after his hitman mission on Juliette was completed - rather than some other new killer role emerging. He would have been new to the mafia role so that part fits - though first post leads you to think he would have been more confident killer... difference between sniping and killing face to face could account for some nerves.

He didn't snipe. Read Ichigo's death. Manfredo walked right up to him and shot him.

I don't think Manfredo and the noob are the same people.

As for Sigurd, while I hope he is right that Juliette's brother is dead, I won't rest easy until I see him absent from the night report.

And those who wish to use Sigurd's analysis should always keep in mind that he is Taketsi and forced the prostitute out in the open so she could be killed.

I wonder what excuses Sasaki will come up with now to save his new recruit who had his maiden-kill last night.

Wow Sigurd, you really need to keep your stories straight. You've been screaming on the thread for days that I'm Taketsi. Now, your saying I'm the noob? So, according to your world, is Taketsi the noob? Or have I become two people?

Have you finally tripped over your own lies?

[Sigurd]

Wow Sigurd, you really need to keep your stories straight. You've been screaming on the thread for days that I'm Taketsi. Now, your saying I'm the noob? So, according to your world, is Taketsi the noob? Or have I become two people?

I no longer believe you are Taketsi.

[Sigurd]

The SK (or MiB), will not stop until all those who 'insulted' his precious sister are dead. However, his lynching should not be our first priority. When his objective is acheived, it seems likely that he will stop killing and revert to a normal 'townie' state, losing his killing abilities but with the same objective of saving the town (please feel free to disagree, I don't know whether this would ordinarily be the case).

I don't think The Man in Black aka Juliette's brother will be a problem anymore.
There are no longer any SK bait as some called them. MiB is dead.
You should lynch privateerkev ASAP.

I wonder what excuses Sasaki will come up with now to save his new recruit who had his maiden-kill last night.

[Husar]

Concerning idle players, Proletariat did not even vote on the last day, rather unusual for her, did she even post at all? She seems to be very quiet apart from that part where she was under pressure...

[TinCow]

Concerning idle players, Proletariat did not even vote on the last day, rather unusual for her, did she even post at all? She seems to be very quiet apart from that part where she was under pressure...

Prole has not posted anywhere on the forums since May 16th, and has only posted once (in this thread) since May 14th. That seems like a RL absence to me.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Sigurd, what do you mean the MiB is dead? How do you know? Unless you knew his identity...

The only people it could be though is either Mithrandir, Northnovas, BananaBob or Tratorix, those who died today, as he was active last night. We can discount the last two. So by your reckoning either Mithrandir or Northnovas was the MiB, if so, which it was is irrelevant. Atm, I believe you are wrong, but...

...if not, this raises an interesting question of, how did you know this? Unless you were telling the truth about being able to partly investigate. We shall see tonight whether the MiB strikes again.

Why are you so insistent that PK and Sasaki are Mafia, and working together? We've concluded that the only way they could have been working together when you accused them was if they were Carellis, and later evidence would suggest that Oojebus was, hence they couldn't be.

Re Makanyane's theory about the nervous killer, makes more sense than my theory. If so there is no chance of a pro-town killer, our task just got more difficult.

Aagin we need to wait for the morning to come to take stock.