Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

[Privateerkev]

Ok guys, how can we believe the analysis of people who write names like "Haudagen" or "Mayankane"? The first person to write "Huser" will get banned from my upcoming mafia game* and lose 1000 imaginary rubber-friendship points with me, okay?!

I'm bad at spelling...

[pevergreen]

You can still make an attempt.

If Sigurd was mafia with me, he would not cover, he would distance himself. Any type of contact comes under scrutiny.

I dont like how PK is playing, I say lynch him, then take a look at axel and Omanes.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Ok, seems like I missed an interesting end to the day.

Unfortunately, due to WoGs, suicides and lynches, we won't know how many killers there are left until the beginning of the next day phase.

I don't know what role Sigurd may or may not have had. It doesn't make sense that it was that of Taketski though. There was the killing of Husar, who (in case noone else noticed, I didn't see it in the thread), seems to have been the prostitute. (Evidence for this, the fact that Rythmic, our best candidate for the detective role, tried valiantly to protect Husar, both in thread and via PM. The Carabineri knew the identity of the prostitute remember).

Looking over thread for more clues. We have at most four killers left by my reckoning, the SK (most likely the MiB), Taketski (or as impossible as it sounds a copycat killer, I'd discount this), and either two Carellis or one Carelli and Manfredo. This is assuming that the 'new' nervous killer was one of the above. With the evidence to hand, I'd hazard a guess that he was, but perhaps hadn't killed before. The fact that before firing he tells the victim (I haven't bothered going back for details): 'I'm an evil Mafioso' (or something along those lines), indicates inexperiance and precludes the appearance of a pro-town killer. I believe that this means that he is one of the Carellis, Gianluca, who seems from the original storyline to be unhappy at killing everyone. Manfredo and Taketski are both hardened professionals, so it is neither of them. I don't believe that another 'Mafioso' would appear at such a late stage in the game, a secret role maybe, but not a 'Mafioso'.

The SK (or MiB), will not stop until all those who 'insulted' his precious sister are dead. However, his lynching should not be our first priority. When his objective is acheived, it seems likely that he will stop killing and revert to a normal 'townie' state, losing his killing abilities but with the same objective of saving the town (please feel free to disagree, I don't know whether this would ordinarily be the case).

Taketski and any Carellis must be what we as a town investigate and try to dig up clues on. Their collective objectives, while distinct from each other culminate in wiping out the townies. There are at most three of these left although my personal opinion is that Oojebus was one of these. I do not believe Sigurd was Taketski (as stated above). Thus we have Taketski and Gianluca to find.

From this evidence I'd suggest, although this contradicts my suggestion from yesterday that Manferdo is still alive and would repeat Tincow's plea from a few days ago.

Your primary objective is to stay alive. To do so, you must evade death at the hands of the Mafia, who must kill you for their victory, as such, your victory conditions and the towns' coincide. Join the town, it makes sense.

Unfortunately, Manfredo has no way of communicating with the town without betraying his identity. More importantly, even if he wants to help the town, there is no way for him to know who is innocent or guilty, other than the same tools available to the town. Observation and analysis. This is another flaw, as even if he (or she) is truly on the towns side, the hitman is still fallible, and can make mistakes. Which we can ill afford at this stage... I'm assume this would come under the banner of a WIFOM, I could argue this round in circles for days, but, I'd advise Manfredo to at least try and help the town.

We know that Oojebus was guilty, which means that thus far we have removed one threat. At the cost of nearly 3/4 of the town! In other words unless we drastically improve our hit ratio, we haven't got a prayer. Sad and defeatist maybe but true.

I trust that anyone with the towns interests at heart will read this, even if it tells us pretty much nothing, and continues to make suggestions and create discussion which could lead us to discover this darkness in our midst.

We stand at the gates of hell ladies and gentlemen. Let us at least go down fighting!




(, pretentious I know, but meh!)

[KukriKhan]

Lynch the quiet folk. They're your biggest threat.

At the very least, they do you no good. Coming on-board once a day and saying "Oh noes, I don't know who to suspect" is disingenuous. We're all totalWar players here - who doesn't pay attention when signed up for a mission/game? Such a tw player would be laughed off the MP battlefield, and roundly ignored/disinvited to future contests, no?

[Makanyane]

I don't know what role Sigurd may or may not have had. It doesn't make sense that it was that of Taketski though. There was the killing of Husar, who (in case noone else noticed, I didn't see it in the thread), seems to have been the prostitute. (Evidence for this, the fact that Rythmic, our best candidate for the detective role, tried valiantly to protect Husar, both in thread and via PM. The Carabineri knew the identity of the prostitute remember).

........This is assuming that the 'new' nervous killer was one of the above. With the evidence to hand, I'd hazard a guess that he was, but perhaps hadn't killed before. The fact that before firing he tells the victim (I haven't bothered going back for details): 'I'm an evil Mafioso' (or something along those lines), indicates inexperiance and precludes the appearance of a pro-town killer. I believe that this means that he is one of the Carellis, Gianluca, who seems from the original storyline to be unhappy at killing everyone. Manfredo and Taketski are both hardened professionals, so it is neither of them. I don't believe that another 'Mafioso' would appear at such a late stage in the game, a secret role maybe, but not a 'Mafioso'.

I'd agree generally with your assessment, and it will be interesting (hopefully not depressing though I think it might be) to see what the night brings.

Re: Husar - he seemed to be agreeing with others assessment of him being the prostitute and also dropping hints about Prole...

copying the main post here as it seemed to have been overlooked in amongst other arguments.

Right.. so Rytmic was the detective and if Husar was innocent and out all night; that would mean he was the prostitute. Taketsi killed the prostitute and the Mafia killed the detective.
Your intelligence never lets me down honey.

I already said why I argued against you, it was to stay alive, but noone asked why I wanted to stay alive and obviously I'm not allowed to tell, a bit of combination work on the side of the townies would be required but maybe the above quote could help a little(because I also believe Rythmic was the detective).

I'm not sure about Privateerkev being Taketsi, I wonder why you had him as out of bed but most likely innocent and me just out of bed(note that I said earlier that my denial of Sigurd's results was fake, just helping with the combining now).

Also it was not that he made me the Black Knight that was weird about Andres's writeup of my death, it was of a more grammatical nature(hint, hint).
Which also lead me to say that it eradicates the reason I had earlier to say that Prole was likely innocent, let me look for that post...

Well, it could be that she is a female townie just because she's a female female in which case she would not have a male role which would mean that she is not a male killer and thus innocent. One could call that a slip-up on Andres's part but we could stop worrying about her then. It's just a guess but for now it's good enough to lower my suspicion of her.

There it is, well it was a wrong guess, you have to figure out the rest for yourselves. Just a few things I wanted to highlight, maybe someone can make more out of it.

edit: Before I forget it, it's Makanyane and Haudegen, not Makanye and Haudegan...

Re: the new nervous killer - I did wonder if it might have been if that might have been Manfredo, who'd decided to turn mafioso after his hitman mission on Juliette was completed - rather than some other new killer role emerging. He would have been new to the mafia role so that part fits - though first post leads you to think he would have been more confident killer... difference between sniping and killing face to face could account for some nerves.

[Sigurd]

The SK (or MiB), will not stop until all those who 'insulted' his precious sister are dead. However, his lynching should not be our first priority. When his objective is acheived, it seems likely that he will stop killing and revert to a normal 'townie' state, losing his killing abilities but with the same objective of saving the town (please feel free to disagree, I don't know whether this would ordinarily be the case).

I don't think The Man in Black aka Juliette's brother will be a problem anymore.
There are no longer any SK bait as some called them. MiB is dead.
You should lynch privateerkev ASAP.

I wonder what excuses Sasaki will come up with now to save his new recruit who had his maiden-kill last night.

[Husar]

Concerning idle players, Proletariat did not even vote on the last day, rather unusual for her, did she even post at all? She seems to be very quiet apart from that part where she was under pressure...

[TinCow]

Concerning idle players, Proletariat did not even vote on the last day, rather unusual for her, did she even post at all? She seems to be very quiet apart from that part where she was under pressure...

Prole has not posted anywhere on the forums since May 16th, and has only posted once (in this thread) since May 14th. That seems like a RL absence to me.

[Ferret]

Huser has a good point, we all need to spell each others names correctly, that includes you TinCrow.

I think Caius is being suspicous, he posted a lot at the begining but once the ranks thinned he's gone quiet with no reasoning...

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Sigurd, what do you mean the MiB is dead? How do you know? Unless you knew his identity...

The only people it could be though is either Mithrandir, Northnovas, BananaBob or Tratorix, those who died today, as he was active last night. We can discount the last two. So by your reckoning either Mithrandir or Northnovas was the MiB, if so, which it was is irrelevant. Atm, I believe you are wrong, but...

...if not, this raises an interesting question of, how did you know this? Unless you were telling the truth about being able to partly investigate. We shall see tonight whether the MiB strikes again.

Why are you so insistent that PK and Sasaki are Mafia, and working together? We've concluded that the only way they could have been working together when you accused them was if they were Carellis, and later evidence would suggest that Oojebus was, hence they couldn't be.

Re Makanyane's theory about the nervous killer, makes more sense than my theory. If so there is no chance of a pro-town killer, our task just got more difficult.

Aagin we need to wait for the morning to come to take stock.

[LittleGrizzly]

Alive (13)

Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Gaius Sribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
Elite Ferret
LittleGrizzly
axel
Makanyane
Privateerkev
Proletariat


this is the list of those still alive, i think we should listen to KK and lynch the quiet ones.

my list of quiet people is
Proletariat
Axel
Cauis
Omanes
and tiberius ? (not sure here)

ill go back and check whether thier posting elsewhere, we know prole is afk so probably RL reasons rather than scum.

Omanes was rather quiet for a few days then got accussed by a few of lurking, he came back with an excuse for a days absence and has been more involved since returning

sorry gtg ill finish this later...

[TinCow]

Prole is a bad lynch choice. She was with the prostitute on N3, a night in which there were 2 kills, with a third killer attacking a special role, likely a fourth killer. With 00jebus dead, she couldn't have been a killer unless the N5 nervous person was indeed new. However, she didn't post anywhere at the Org during the entire N5 time period, nor has she posted since the D4 lynch vote. Even if she was a killer, she probably wasn't online to submit a night order. Plus there's the fact that she was described as female in the N3 write-up, when the only female roles are both pro-town and probably dead already. Prole is almost certainly just a townie.

[Privateerkev]

Re: the new nervous killer - I did wonder if it might have been if that might have been Manfredo, who'd decided to turn mafioso after his hitman mission on Juliette was completed - rather than some other new killer role emerging. He would have been new to the mafia role so that part fits - though first post leads you to think he would have been more confident killer... difference between sniping and killing face to face could account for some nerves.

He didn't snipe. Read Ichigo's death. Manfredo walked right up to him and shot him.

I don't think Manfredo and the noob are the same people.

As for Sigurd, while I hope he is right that Juliette's brother is dead, I won't rest easy until I see him absent from the night report.

And those who wish to use Sigurd's analysis should always keep in mind that he is Taketsi and forced the prostitute out in the open so she could be killed.

I wonder what excuses Sasaki will come up with now to save his new recruit who had his maiden-kill last night.

Wow Sigurd, you really need to keep your stories straight. You've been screaming on the thread for days that I'm Taketsi. Now, your saying I'm the noob? So, according to your world, is Taketsi the noob? Or have I become two people?

Have you finally tripped over your own lies?

[Sigurd]

Wow Sigurd, you really need to keep your stories straight. You've been screaming on the thread for days that I'm Taketsi. Now, your saying I'm the noob? So, according to your world, is Taketsi the noob? Or have I become two people?

I no longer believe you are Taketsi.

[Privateerkev]

I no longer believe you are Taketsi.

Finally we agree on something.

I don't believe I'm Taketsi either. I've always said it was you.

Furthermore, why are you so sure that the MiB is dead? Something you found out from the investigation results you never showed us and kept to yourself?

I think you got 6 results, kept 3 to yourself, and then put 3 down real fast and tweaked them to cause confusion.

You knew who the MiB was the whole time and have simply let him continue to kill us. Plus you forced the prostitute out in the open so she could be killed.

You sir are Scummy-Mc. Scummy-Scum.

[Sigurd]

Finally we agree on something.

It is always nice to agree.

Furthermore, why are you so sure that the MiB is dead?

I will disregard the last part of your post as it is nothing more than evil slander from the biggest liar I have played with. [OOC: ]

Right... why do I think MiB died?
I spent some time reading the thread and I am amazed at the hints some players give.
The next night will give definite answers to several questions I have. We will see who Taketsi and the Mafia choose to kill.
I am not afraid of making bold statements and I am not afraid of being wrong... I shed that coat when leaving adolescence.
If I am wrong about the MiB I hope you are his next target.

[Privateerkev]

It is always nice to agree.

I agree.

I will disregard the last part of your post as it is nothing more than evil slander from the biggest liar I have played with. [OOC: ]

I didn't think you'd want to discuss your extra investigation results that you've kept to yourself. [OOC: ]

Right... why do I think MiB died? I spent some time reading the thread and I am amazed at the hints some players give.

Funny, didn't you say when you were lynched that you just didn't have time to play this game well?

I am not afraid of making bold statements and I am not afraid of being wrong

I think you found the MiB in your investigations and with-held that information from the town on purpose so he would kill us.

If I am wrong about the MiB I hope you are his next target.

How nice of you.

Regardless, this will be a long few hours for me. I won't be convinced of the MiB's death until I see his absence in the night report.

[Husar]

Prole has not posted anywhere on the forums since May 16th, and has only posted once (in this thread) since May 14th. That seems like a RL absence to me.

She is in the chat however, she might have just lost interest in this game, a possibility I don't want to rule out but she is definitely not absent from her computer.

[Sigurd]

Funny, didn't you say when you were lynched that you just didn't have time to play this game well?

I did, didn't I...
Spend, took, sacrifice time ; whichever you want.
I try to support the gamehost's effort in the games I have joined.

Sometimes things come up; like earlier this month when an oilplatform needed to stop its production out of schedule, and with the revision-application for registring man hours on maintenance work not quite finished. I couldn't spend time here while working like I normally do.
Other times it only takes a little lynch or an untimedly death to get me going. Have you read 'Grafitti Mafia' yet?

[Husar]

Plus there's the fact that she was described as female in the N3 write-up, when the only female roles are both pro-town and probably dead already.

Uhm TinCow, I already said that this reason was kinda ruled out judging by my death description, think of the grammatical problem I had with it...

[Privateerkev]

Have you read 'Grafitti Mafia' yet?

No, I haven't had the time to read up on the old games as much as I'd like. I've read Netherworld all the way through. I've read the "stories" for Capo 2. And I've tried to keep up with the other current games in the gameroom.

Unfortunately I have this place called work. And while they are nice enough to give me internet access, they do wish that I would actually do some work while I am at work.

I'll try to get to the old ones as time permits though. They are good reads.

[TinCow]

Thanks for pointing both of those things out, Husar. I had missed the bit about your death description. I guess this is a problem with creating pre-set genders for various roles.

[Andres]

Night 6 - Conclusion

TinCow returned from the gathering at the Porta Messina. He decided to go straight to his hotel.

While he was walking down one of the many narrow, steep streets of Taormina, he sensed that something was wrong.

His instincts told him to duck.

He barely avoided getting sliced into two pieces by a sword.

He heard a voice cursing and started to run. The quick footsteps behind him told him that the he was been followed.

All of the sudden, TinCow turned around, a throwing knife in his hand. His attacker dodged the knife and swung his sword at TinCow's neck. Again, his reflexes saved him. While the attacker was trying to refind his balance, TinCow kicked the attacker in the groin.

The attacker fell down and TinCow walked up to his victim, a second knife in his hand.

"You picked the wrong target tonight," he said with a cold-hearted voice.

He stabbed his knife at his attacker who quickly turned away from it, jumped back on his feet and swung the sword again at TinCow, who was completely out of balance. The sword sliced TinCow in two pieces.

In one fluent move, the attacker pierced the sword through TinCow's chest, for good measure. The killer limped away, still suffering from the hard kick in the groin.

***


Omanes was enjoying the splendid view accross the bay of Naxos, looking at Mount Etna.

Sipping from his limoncello he sighed. It was hard to believe that this beautiful place was the scene of such horrendous events.

He promised himself to come back after this nightmare was over, to re-discover what had to be one of the most lovely places in the world.

Sipping again from his limocello, he didn't hear the careful footsteps behind him.

The killer watched Omanes and sneaked up on him. The murdered pointed the silenced gun to the back of Omanes's head and pulled the trigger.

While Omanes was laying in a pool of his own blood, the professional killer shot two more bullets in Omanes' head and one more in his chest.

He calmly left the scene.

***
Makanyane left her hotelroom. She couldn't sleep and she figured a drink in the bar would help.

She entered the elevator. When the elevator reached its' destination, she waited until the doors opened.

A dark figure, weilding a tommy gun was standing right in front of her.

The salvo of the machine gun litterally butchered her to dead.

The attacker limped away.

***

Day 6




Teatro Greco - Taormina - 7.30 am

The remaining inhabitants of Taormina gathered in the Teatro.

Most of them had a very bad feeling when they realised how many of them already passed away. Tiberius of the Drake was leaning against a wall. He accidentally stumbled and broke his skull, leading to instant dead.

This was interpreted as a very bad omen and the silence soon developed into a heated debate.

They had to vote. Again...


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Alive (9)

woad&fangs
Caius
Gaius Sribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Elite Ferret
LittleGrizzly
axel
Privateerkev
Proletariat

Killed (15)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
pevergreen
Rythmic
Husar
Haudegen
Omanes
Makanyane
TinCow


Lynched (5)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sarathos
Northnovas

WoG'ed (5)
Zorg
TwilightBlade
Bananabob
Tratorix
Tiberius of the Drake

Suicide (4)

Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk
Mithrandir

***


It's now day. Start voting. Day will last until +/- 22.00 (GMT +2)

[Privateerkev]

1 kill that looked like a Carelli. 1 that looked like yakuza. And one that is similar to the killing of Ichigo. My guess would be Manfredo. And no sign of Juliette's brother or the "noobish mafioso".

And a nighttime WoG.

Alright, I've been going through Caius's posts. He is very active on the rest of the board but hardly ever posts in here. Especially lately. I think he's lurking for some reason.

vote: Caius

tally:

Caius: 1 (Privateerkev)

[TinCow]

Well played, and good roll of the die.

[Privateerkev]

Well played, and good roll of the die.

you were the noob?

[Makanyane]

She couldn't sleep and she figured a drink in the bar would help.

Andres knows me too well I think...

damn! Nine left and 3 attacks doesn't seem like good odds.

I'm interested in why my attacker 'limped away', didn't seem like anything I'd done, TC's attacker was kicked in groin but the style of attack sword versus gun seems too different for it to be two attacks by same person?

Also why TC who everyone had been assuming role-less after his earlier night with the prostitute had the ability to partially defend himself is maybe interesting

anyway goodbye cruel world

[TinCow]

you were the noob?

I never said anything of the sort, but for your sake, I hope you're mafioso. Otherwise, you're DOOOOOMED.

[Privateerkev]

I never said anything of the sort, but for your sake, I hope you're mafioso. Otherwise, you're DOOOOOMED.

I was just confused by your comment on die rolls. If you look at Husar's death, as well as the fight between two men in the hotel room, it seems some people are harder to kill than others. I'm just trying to figure out who you are.

[Ferret]

Caius stop lurking!

vote:caius