Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

[Ferret]

I've really got to learn not to trust people just because I played KotR with them...TC betrayed me, now PK!!!! If I'm ever in a game with you again it's gonna be vote:PK every round until you're dead

[Privateerkev]

I've really got to learn not to trust people just because I played KotR with them...TC betrayed me, now PK!!!! If I'm ever in a game with you again it's gonna be vote:PK every round until you're dead

I was a little skeptical about using TC's Netherworld strategy. I was afraid people would see through it. But, I figured I'd give it my best shot.

It is probably going to be one of those things I'll only be able to get away with once though.

I can see future games now: "Kevin's being chatty! He must be guilty! Lynch him!"

[Sigurd]

Good play Sasaki and Privateerkev. Yes I was Taketsi… I finally admit to it.
I lost when Sasaki lucked out the night he attacked me. He could have been killed in the attempt. I regret that I didn’t investigate him like I had planned on night 2. My role description explains why:[]

Taketsi

Yes! You're in the yakuza [IMG]file:///C:/WINDOWS/TEMP/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

You are Taketsi, one of the most cruel killers wandering around this earth. You're a member of an important Japanese crime family.

The family sent you to retrieve the nuclear weapon stolen from them by the Carelli family. You can investigate 2 players a night or kill 1 player each night. If you find Luciano or Gianluca, you can kill them and the kill will be a guaranteed hit.

If you attack the a Carelli without having investigated him first, I will roll a dice. If I roll 1 or 2, you die, 3 or 4, the Carelli dies, 5 or 6, nobody dies. If you target each other, both the yakuza and the Carelli will flee the scene.

When killing, you'll turn out guilty upon investigation by the Carabinieri or Juliette. If you don't kill at night, you'll be innocent upon investigation when investigated by the Carabinieri or "unclear" when investigated by Juliette.

You have to pm me your night orders before the night phase ends.

If one of you dies, the other one is allowed to kill two players on his own each night.

There might be reinforcement later in the game. To convince this person to help out your family, you'll have to pm me an offer he can't refuse. Use your imagination for this! This person will get to chose from different offers, including yours. Unless he accepts your offer, this is the last you will hear from me about this subject (exciting, isn't it? [IMG]file:///C:/WINDOWS/TEMP/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.gif[/IMG])

Any questions, feel free to pm me.

Good luck!

A.

Being in the informed minority I clearly saw the connection between PK and Sasaki.
PK was too well informed to be a townie and Sasaki just let him ramble on spilling more and more of the information that amazingly struck closer and closer to the bull’s eye.
But I was not about to come clear with the town when I still had the possibility to win through TC. I warned him about getting to cozy with Sasaki, as Sasaki would get rid of him as soon as he got suspicious. It was imperative that TC should do one kill to get the powers that could protect him against an attack. Again Sasaki lucked out. Let me see those dice Andres…
Game over for us and no point in retaliate against the Carelli. We weren’t townies after all.
I still gave the town ample chance of lynching both privateerkev and Sasaki, but PK held his fort brilliantly and I must say it was fun bantering with him. We must do it again sometime.
Fortunately you didn’t completely fool us all or you would suffer the same as some of us have. TC fooled us all in Netherworld and it will follow him sometime, trust is hard earned.

[Privateerkev]

Being in the informed minority I clearly saw the connection between PK and Sasaki.
PK was too well informed to be a townie and Sasaki just let him ramble on spilling more and more of the information that amazingly struck closer and closer to the bull’s eye.
But I was not about to come clear with the town when I still had the possibility to win through TC. I warned him about getting to cozy with Sasaki, as Sasaki would get rid of him as soon as he got suspicious. It was imperative that TC should do one kill to get the powers that could protect him against an attack. Again Sasaki lucked out. Let me see those dice Andres…
Game over for us and no point in retaliate against the Carelli. We weren’t townies after all.
I still gave the town ample chance of lynching both privateerkev and Sasaki, but PK held his fort brilliantly and I must say it was fun bantering with him. We must do it again sometime.
Fortunately you didn’t completely fool us all or you would suffer the same as some of us have. TC fooled us all in Netherworld and it will follow him sometime, trust is hard earned.

It was indeed good to be crossing swords with you.

Now that the game is over, I will state for the record:

1.) Sigurd's reveal on me was absolutely correct. At first I actually thought it was wrong. But Andres corrected me. But I did not want to reveal so I had to lie about it.

2.) I did indeed PM Sigurd after he revealed. But when I realized who he was, I lied again to maintain my cover and throw suspicion on him.

Sasaki told me you were Taketsi but I couldn't exactly admit that. He was the one that attacked you in the room and new anyone who fought back, had to have a role. With your "reveals", it was obvious who you were. But I couldn't use that knowledge and you did an admirable job muddying the waters.

With all due respect, I would rather we be on the same team next time. I much rather have you at my back as an ally than across from me as an opponent. You are very good.

[Privateerkev]

I woke up early so I decided to go back through the posts and pick out my favorite quotes. Any suggestions on which I should put in my signature?

I see you've all met PK. This should be an interesting game.

But still, PK was providing, imo, some fairly good reasoning for his actions. So he has a lot to say... doesn't mean that hes guilty.

FoS: PK
Twice as many posts as anyone else.

I don't think PK should be voted just because he has twice as many posts as anyone else, it could be a cover trying to seem like a helpful townie but if it is im fooled...

PK just doesn't strike me as mafia. He has been acting exactly as he always does in this game, and it would be nearly impossible for anyone to pull off such a perfect cover from the first turn of their first game.

Privateerkev would be the least cautious newbie-mafioso ever.

[naut]

The town was doomed to lose the moment I accidentally got myself WoG'd, (long story), sorry guys. Well done PK for using my WoG to your advantage, very clever strategy. I was going to investigate you the next night, because I knew you were Mafia, but I was foolish with my PMs.

Carabinieri

You are Pino di Luca, the only surviving Carabinieri of Taormina.

You are more then just a policeman, you're also a talented detective and a martial artist.

Each night, you are allowed to investigate one player.

You will survive the first attack by an ordinary mafioso. Since you'll probably get wounded during that attack, you won't survive the next one though.

You have to submit your night orders each night, before the end of the night phase.

Good luck

Andres.

[Privateerkev]

The town was doomed to lose the moment I accidentally got myself WoG'd, (long story), sorry guys. Well done PK for using my WoG to your advantage, very clever strategy. I was going to investigate you the next night, because I knew you were Mafia, but I was foolish with my PMs.

We didn't know if you were going to get WoG'd. Andres spoke in abstracts about what he would do in this situation. So, we didn't want to take any chances and killed you as soon as we figured out who you and Husar were.

[00jebus]

Meh, no wonder I got nailed N2. Voted for 00jebus and was skeptical about Sasaki's reveal.

Actually I was thinking of going for Ichigo night 2, but he seemed to be attracting lots of attention, so I went back to the list of experienced players that I think rythmic posted on night one and closed my eyes and picked one at random.
then it turned out Ichigo investegated me and my little plan fell apart.

Oh and appologies to seamus, I was ordered to kill you by a higher power, who saw you as the only real threat.

and congrads to the teamates, I hope they enjoy their boat ride.

[Privateerkev]

and congrads to the teamates, I hope they enjoy their boat ride.

Who said your not on the boat with us? I'm sure at least one of the girls is a necrophiliac.

[LittleGrizzly]

I don't think PK should be voted just because he has twice as many posts as anyone else, it could be a cover trying to seem like a helpful townie but if it is im fooled...

Gah! i remember posting that with a smile on my face, that kevin guy is so friendly and helpful but i was fooled.

would make a good sig i think

[pevergreen]

I campaigned for PK's lynch most of the game



Sasaki fools me again. I believe i still owe you from Capo 1 my dear friend...

[Husar]

With all due respect, I would rather we be on the same team next time. I much rather have you at my back as an ally than across from me as an opponent. You are very good.

Told you so.

I have to say my suspicions were partly based on one thing I never told anyone, don't get me wrong, Andres made a good game, but I signed up saying only if I could be the prostitute, then got the job and asked Andres whether I had successfully blackmailed him. Andres replied that someone else got the role originally but he gave it to me because he suspected that person to lurk anyway. From that point I had my suspicions that most of the roles were assigned to experienced, reliable players, despite the randomness. I didn't tell anyone not to ruin Andres's game and I didn't know who he would think of as reliable so it was still a lot of guesswork, but it sort of made the lurkers appear a lot less suspicious, turns out I also slept with a lot of mafioso(or planned to), except for Glenn who had it coming after some posts here in the thread and prole who I took to get some gender equality.

[Privateerkev]

I have to say my suspicions were partly based on one thing I never told anyone, don't get me wrong, Andres made a good game, but I signed up saying only if I could be the prostitute, then got the job and asked Andres whether I had successfully blackmailed him. Andres replied that someone else got the role originally but he gave it to me because he suspected that person to lurk anyway. From that point I had my suspicions that most of the roles were assigned to experienced, reliable players, despite the randomness. I didn't tell anyone not to ruin Andres's game and I didn't know who he would think of as reliable so it was still a lot of guesswork, but it sort of made the lurkers appear a lot less suspicious, turns out I also slept with a lot of mafioso(or planned to), except for Glenn who had it coming after some posts here in the thread and prole who I took to get some gender equality.

I was actually hoping the prostitute would block me on N5. I even refrained from killing for that night so I would look innocent. Plus I wanted protection from the SK. Though I secretly dreaded what Andres would write up for me.

[TinCow]

2.) I did indeed PM Sigurd after he revealed. But when I realized who he was, I lied again to maintain my cover and throw suspicion on him.

I could never figure that one out. It made absolutely no sense for you to lie about PMing Sigurd. So what if you had thanked him? How was that incriminating in any way? Ironically, your lie made me think you were more innocent because it seemed such an obvious mistake. If anyone else had done that, it would have been a giant flashing bulb over your head saying MAFIOSO. I just chalked it up to inexperience, and assumed you were just trying to discredit him by lying, a more advanced tactic than you were adopting in the early stages. I assumed it was just you getting more comfortable with how the game works.

Part of my problem was the dichotomy between PK showing up as "out" on the investigation results and it also showing him as a "boring townie." Not knowing that Manfredo could defeat investigations, I assumed one of the two parts was artistic license, it was just a question of which one. Boring townie seemed very specific to me, so I mentally discarded the "out" as non-informative description.

I can see future games now: "Kevin's being chatty! He must be guilty! Lynch him!"

You've set yourself a very high bar on the post count. After Capo II I realized that as a newbie I had a shot at defeating Holmes be intentionally posting in a consistent manner in every single mafia game I play. Most people don't have that option, because they had been in mafia games before Holmes was invented. I've done my best to post at the same frequency, length, and with the same type of analysis that I did in Capo II and I will keep doing that. Your post count in this thread was double anyone else's, though. So if you want to try a similar thing, you're doomed to be typing until your fingers fall off.

[Privateerkev]

I could never figure that one out. It made absolutely no sense for you to lie about PMing Sigurd. So what if you had thanked him? How was that incriminating in any way? Ironically, your lie made me think you were more innocent because it seemed such an obvious mistake. If anyone else had done that, it would have been a giant flashing bulb over your head saying MAFIOSO. I just chalked it up to inexperience, and assumed you were just trying to discredit him by lying, a more advanced tactic than you were adopting in the early stages. I assumed it was just you getting more comfortable with how the game works.

Because I was trying to discredit him. And since he couldn't post his PM while dead, he couldn't prove me wrong. In hind-sight, I probably should have let it go but things were happening very fast at that point.

Part of my problem was the dichotomy between PK showing up as "out" on the investigation results and it also showing him as a "boring townie." Not knowing that Manfredo could defeat investigations, I assumed one of the two parts was artistic license, it was just a question of which one. Boring townie seemed very specific to me, so I mentally discarded the "out" as non-informative description.

Look at the investigations again.

Night 1:
TinCow is innocent. However, you found a book in his room, Mario Puzzo's "The Godfather". You also found his diary. Seems like TinCow has been dreaming of joining a mafia family.

Husar wasn't at home that night. You found some objects suggesting an interesting sex life. Husar is innocent.

Night 2:
GeneralHankerchief and pevergreen are both innocent.

Night 3:
Privateerkev wasn't in his room when you investigated it. You found his belongings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Privateerkev seems to be a boring townie.

Proletariat was in her room. There was a massive crowd gathered in front of her door, so you went outside and looked through the window. It was... interesting. Two hot women, one dressed like a businesswoman wearing glasses, the other one wearing lingerie, both playing with dolls and giggling like little girls...

Other then that, you didn't see something out of the ordinary in Proletariat's room. She also seems to be a boring townie.

Notice that GH and Pever are listed as "innocent". Also, Husar is "innocent" even though he is out.

Now look at mine and Prole's. We "seem to be a boring townie". My role gives this result whenever I was out doing something. Prole gave this result because she was being blocked by the Prostitute. Remember, the Prostitute makes investigations fail.

This was Andres's way of giving a hint to anyone who investigated Manfredo.

You've set yourself a very high bar on the post count. After Capo II I realized that as a newbie I had a shot at defeating Holmes be intentionally posting in a consistent manner in every single mafia game I play. Most people don't have that option, because they had been in mafia games before Holmes was invented. I've done my best to post at the same frequency, length, and with the same type of analysis that I did in Capo II and I will keep doing that. Your post count in this thread was double anyone else's, though. So if you want to try a similar thing, you're doomed to be typing until your fingers fall off.

I am confident that I can find it within myself to type a lot.

[TinCow]

Notice that GH and Pever are listed as "innocent". Also, Husar is "innocent" even though he is out.

Never occurred to me until you just pointed that out. It looked to me like Andres just didn't have time to write a more elaborate result PM on N2. I won't make that mistake in his next game.

[Privateerkev]

Never occurred to me until you just pointed that out. It looked to me like Andres just didn't have time to write a more elaborate result PM on N2. I won't make that mistake in his next game.

That reminds me of something else. Sigurd and I investigated you on the same turn but he got the information about you being a recruit and I didn't.

Here is my N1 result:

Investigated:

GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow

You didn't find Juliette last night. You'll have to continue your search.

A.

But then for N2, I got this:

You didn't find Juliette tonight.

But you found out something about Tiberius of the Drake. It seems like he is obsessed with organised crime. You put this information into you notebook. It might be useful later on, in case the family of your choice needs a recruit.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONTACT TIBERIUS OF THE DRAKE WITH THIS INFORMATION AT THE MOMENT. TIBERIUS IS NOT AWARE OF HIS CURRENT STATUS (recruitable townie, semi-professional killer). UNTIL I TELL YOU OTHERWISE, THIS INFORMATION HAS TO STAY BETWEEN YOU AND ME.

Andres.

I guess he didn't want multiple people having claims to the same recruits. So he let Sigurd take the first one even though it could have gone to either of us. That's just my guess though.

Unfortunately, Tiberius was hardly playin and eventually got WoG'd so he never got recruited.

Just think about it, if Andres had given me the result on you, instead of giving it to Sigurd, you could be on the boat with us right now getting your "morale" raised.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Thanks for hosting Andres

[LittleGrizzly]

Yes thanks Andres, great game!

[Beefy187]

Sorry for the suicide . Looks like you guys had a good time

Thanks for hosting Andres