Pedites extraordinarii are champions!

[QuintusSertorius]

I didn't have any in my 1.1 Romani game until the Polybian reforms came around, and I had more money. I attach a single unit of them to every consular army (I currently have three such armies, one in Spain, one in Italy and one in Sicily), to be directed by the general himself.

Several times they've won the battle for me, or otherwise just been heroes who never broke and stood firm even when massively outnumbered.

Against the Gauls, they broke the Gaesatae. In a battle against the Arverni, they killed one of their chiefs. In another battle against Gauls, they took fire from archers and slingers, standing firm and acting as cover for my own slingers. Then held against four or five times their number of the enemy while the rest of the army outflanked the mob. In a recent battle, they held the left and lost only a handful of men, despite being in contact with the enemy the entire time.

They're heavy infantry with AP weapons and solid morale, which means that should be expected, but they still surprise me.

They're truly champions, and worth every penny.

[Jaume]

Of course they are. Just like all the other romans .

[QuintusSertorius]

Of course they are. Just like all the other romans .

Strictly speaking, they're Italians rather than Romans.

[Jaume]

Strictly speaking, they're Italians rather than Romans.

Yeah sure, and Seneca, Hadrianus and Traianus were all born in Hispania, but it makes no sense to affirm that they were Spaniard.

[QuintusSertorius]

Yeah sure, and Seneca, Hadrianus and Traianus were all born in Hispania, but it makes no sense to affirm that they were Spaniard.

Which is a long time after all of Italy was finally given the full citizenship, and even then extended to other regions.

At the time of most of the game, Romans were very particular about who had citizenship, and until the end of the Social War, neither Italians nor those from communities with the Latin Rights were considered "Roman".

[Jaume]

Which is a long time after all of Italy was finally given the full citizenship, and even then extended to other regions.

At the time of most of the game, Romans were very particular about who had citizenship, and until the end of the Social War, neither Italians nor those from communities with the Latin Rights were considered "Roman".

I didn't know that. Anyway, I mean just like all the roman army remaining, which is more correct, isn't it?

[konny]

Pseudo-Marian/Gracchian Reform? I have that too when holding about 35 provinces: no more Velites, Accensi, Equites Romani and Hastati are recruited. Hastati are replaced by Principes, the rest by foreign auxilia. Very helpfull when you use houserules to limit recruitement according to the towns' size.

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On topic: Pedites Extraordinarii realy rule. Recent results form the African front:

- One unit of them was able to cut its way through the Sacred Band when assualting Karthago and still had some 90 men standing.

- The same unit (after beeing reinforced) stormed the walls of Atiqa and took a unit of elite Lybians (the green guys) on its own. In the meantime a second unit of those Lybians beated the hell out of three units of Princpes and was only defeated by two units of Triarii joining the show.

And that was just the green Extraordinarii who was fresh raised in Rome for that campaign, not the double silver-chevron unit that is fighting in Spain for now 15 years.

I attach a single unit of them to every consular army (I currently have three such armies, one in Spain, one in Italy and one in Sicily), to be directed by the general himself.

You have three Consuls?

[QuintusSertorius]

Two are with proconsuls, rather than the actual consuls of the day.

Talking of which, I have a lot of them in my game. The majority of my family members over 40 have been consul, of late it seems almost everyone is being elected to office in their year, even the plebians.

[Olaf The Great]

Are the Native versions of these good enough?

[hoom]

Have had some interesting times with both the Pedites Extraordinarii & Milnaht in my Aedui campaign.

3 Units of Milnaht did most of the work of conquering the British Isles with only one fairly minor retraining & some helping hand from the javelins of a bunch of other units.

AI keeps sending mini-armies (~8 to 12 units) at my cis-alpine cities, with an average of about half the units being PEs. Mediolanium got down to about 800 citizens left at one point from having to replace so many diced Botroas

Pressure only really eased off when I got some Gaesatae & Solduros around.

Something I think I'll have to try is to send some Milnaht down for the pending Italian campaign & see how they go toe to toe with the PE

[Cullhwch]

How do the Milnaht compare to Bataroas? Are they worth the extra cost and hassle?

Oh, and Pedites Extraordinarii NEVER tire when you use guard mode. It's eerie to see them outpace your exhausted Leves during a chase.

[konny]

Are the Native versions of these good enough?

You mean Samnitici Miltes? They are excellent stormtroopers themselves but won't win when facing Extraordinarii on a fair footing. I use the Samnitici very much in Epeirote campaigns, and they are good against everything. But when facing Extraordinarii one-on-one the Extraordinarii usually have the last 20 or so men standing.

[alatar]

In one game I had the PE against spartans, the elite's of both armies charged each other.

The PE won because I sent triarri to join them.

[Maion Maroneios]

Pedites are trully great, I must admit. They can be a real pain in the @$$, especially when you play with phalanx-based factions. They are very flexible and extremely good and efficient swordsmen. When I conquer Italy, I alway include Samnites for their flexible formations and create pseudo-legions with Thureophoroi and the like. Really amazing what such an army can do

[QuintusSertorius]

You mean Samnitici Miltes? They are excellent stormtroopers themselves but won't win when facing Extraordinarii on a fair footing. I use the Samnitici very much in Epeirote campaigns, and they are good against everything. But when facing Extraordinarii one-on-one the Extraordinarii usually have the last 20 or so men standing.

According to the unit cards thread stickied (which are from 0.81, granted) Saminitici Milites are better; 4 points more armour and an additional 0.01 on lethality. The only thing pedites extraordinarii have better is 2 points of morale.