greek naval Invincibility

**neoiq5719** · 05-04-2008, 22:09

Have this guys from EB done something to make the greek naval units invincible? At some point in the game lots of naval units popped up and i cant win any battles. Even i had one with 3 ships against 1 so it was 150 ppl versus 50 and it was crashing defeat. Was this done on purpose?

**-Praetor-** · 05-04-2008, 22:34

It depends of a number of factors, like the quality of ships, experience, your admiral`s stars, etc.

You can`t expect to win if you face your 3 pentekonteroi against a single unit of pentereis...

**d'Arthez** · 05-04-2008, 22:38

And it might be the case that you are running into a well-known problem. Naval battles are auto-calc. Thus your campaign difficulty may be the cause of the seemingly invincible ships.

**neoiq5719** · 05-04-2008, 22:44

is the highest level

**beatoangelico** · 05-04-2008, 23:45

at very hard naval battle are totally unpredictable since the AI gets massive bonuses, so you may see very odd results

**Megas Methuselah** · 05-05-2008, 00:19

It's a very old RTW problem, and is not EB's fault in any way, whatsoever.

**Maion Maroneios** · 05-05-2008, 10:40

Originally Posted by beatoangelico

at very hard naval battle are totally unpredictable since the AI gets massive bonuses, so you may see very odd results

Yep, that's why the EB team recommends VH/M for Christ's sake...

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-05-2008, 16:01

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Yep, that's why the EB team recommends VH/M for Christ's sake...

...which doesn't apply at all to auto-Calc.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 05-05-2008, 16:30

Which is why (among other reasons) it's totally OK if you play on difficulty settings other than VH for campaigns...

**Dooz** · 05-05-2008, 16:59

I was playing my Roman campaign on M/M and was getting my ass handed to me by the Carthies at sea. It was really awesome.

At one point I spent a few years building up, what I thought, was a powerful fleet.... only to be crushed at the first battle against a single Carthy fleet of much more powerful ships.

They totally dominated the naval sphere, as they should, but eventually I snuck a couple of legions with a single fleet onto Africa and the rest, as they say, is history.

**d'Arthez** · 05-05-2008, 19:00

In case of naval battles, the odds decide whether it is an auto_win attacker or defender for me. If the odds are 1:1, advantage attacker.

**Maion Maroneios** · 05-05-2008, 20:01

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

...which doesn't apply at all to auto-Calc.

Then what is beatoangelico talking about?

**LordCurlyton** · 05-06-2008, 03:33

VH battle difficulty. A naval battle is still a battle, not a campaign deal. Ergo the M battle difficulty.

**Ludens** · 05-07-2008, 14:29

Back in R:TW 1.0, autocalc outcome was determined by campaign difficulty, not battle difficulty. This may have been changed since then, though.

**Gaivs** · 05-08-2008, 12:01

Naval battles are annoying. I autowin them if i know i should win, only because the ai is retarded it never does what it should.

**Maion Maroneios** · 05-08-2008, 12:58

Another thing I've noted (I'm playing as Makedonia H/M) is that Lemboi are very good against every rebel ships, as well as the ones that cost 2.500 mnai (don't recall their name). They just have a lot of defence, but low attack. Anyway, I just use them in my campaign.

**Chris1959** · 05-08-2008, 18:35

I noticed in v1.0 M/M that if I attacked I would lose or suffer higher losses even when I had the advantage, if I surrounded an enemy fleet and they attacked me I had far better comdat results especially against pirates.