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    Default Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    Every unit has a tag in it's name on the battle map in square brackets, saying what classification it is.

    They run something like:
    Missile
    Light Infantry
    Heavy Infantry
    Spearman
    Missile Cavalry
    Light Cavalry
    Heavy Cavalry
    Artillery

    What do they mean? Are they based on some kind of calculation of the unit's stats, or are they just an assigned value? Is there some kind of property being one type and not another carries?

    Sometimes I've compared the stats of one type of infantry deemed "Light" and another deemed "heavy" and there's not a lot in it, if anything at all.

    Also what is the property of their weapon type being "Light" or "Heavy" based on? Again is it something that's just assigned, or based on the properties of the weapon they use?
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    Default AW: Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    These are used by the AI to identify the purpose of a unit, what it is important for a) recruitement and b) deployment on the battlefield.

    Placing a unit in the wrong class might have bizzarr consequences: for example a cheap missle unit classified as "light" will certainly lead to the spamming of that unit by the AI because it "thinks" - 'wow, a unit of light infantry for a bargain! Let's make a full stack of it!'

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    Default Re: AW: Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    I notice as an example that the Garamantines have been reclassified from Heavy Infantry to Spearmen, that just means the AI will recruit them differently?
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    Default Re: AW: Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    And will probably place them in a different way on the battlefield, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
    I notice as an example that the Garamantines have been reclassified from Heavy Infantry to Spearmen, that just means the AI will recruit them differently?
    Yes. It will/should compare their stats to the other spearmen it can raise in Lepki and will go for the better one - if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
    I notice as an example that the Garamantines have been reclassified from Heavy Infantry to Spearmen, that just means the AI will recruit them differently?

    It will recruit them differently and place them differently in formations...
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    Default Re: AW: Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    But in essence for the human player, then, the classifications are largely irrelevant?
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    Default AW: Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    Yes

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    Default Re: AW: Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    So Iberian Scutarii aren't any better at covering the flanks against cavalry than Samnite Allied Spearmen are, just because they're Spearmen and the latter are Light Infantry. Cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
    But in essence for the human player, then, the classifications are largely irrelevant?
    except if you use any of the pre-made formations...
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
    So Iberian Scutarii aren't any better at covering the flanks against cavalry than Samnite Allied Spearmen are, just because they're Spearmen and the latter are Light Infantry. Cool.
    IIRC, the Samnite Allied Infantry is supposed to be classed as spearman
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    Default Re: AW: Do the troop classifications actually mean anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by mcantu
    except if you use any of the pre-made formations...
    As per the other thread, I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
    Also what is the property of their weapon type being "Light" or "Heavy" based on? Again is it something that's just assigned, or based on the properties of the weapon they use?
    This too is assigned, but AFAIK it is not used for anything but weapon upgrades.
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