Polybian Italian Allies

[QuintusSertorius]

This is a spin-off of the thread on later Polybian armies. Essentially at the time of the Second Punic War and thereafter, almost all Latin/Italian troops were equipped similarly to Roman ones, and performed broadly the same.

However, it's a little boring to simply recruit an almost all-Roman force to represent this, and apparently there are a lot of free spaces in the unit roster (approximately 40). So what I'm proposing is a little mini-mod, the addition of three units to represent Italic troops organised in the Roman manner. Stat-wise they'll be identical, but it gives you recognisably varied armies.

If anyone thinks there should be more, we can discuss that.

I think this could be done with some minor re-working of existing units for skins, rather than someone having to do completely new ones.

For example:
-For "Italic hastati" you could alter the Bruttian Infantry slightly, to give them a different shield. Or take the Camillian principes, and replace their spear with a sword.
-For "Italic principes" you could take the Samnite Medium Spearmen, replace their shield and spear. This is a harder one since they have to be wearing decent body armour.
-For "Italic triarii" you could take the Camillian triarii and give them a different shield.

Other alternatives for mail-armoured units to steal the skin from include the Libyan Heavy Spearman (although they have two greaves and no baldric), or Thorakitai (again two greaves, possibly better for triarii, Ptolemaic or Koinon Hellenon variants look the most Roman).

Would anyone be interested in this? More importantly, is there anyone out there with the technical nous who'd be happy to do the work?

Also, would this be saved-game compatible?

[alatar]

-For "Italic hastati" you could alter the Bruttian Infantry slightly, to give them a different shield. Or take the Camillian principes, and replace their spear with a sword.
-For "Italic principes" you could take the Samnite Medium Spearmen, replace their shield and spear. This is a harder one since they have to be wearing decent body armour.
-For "Italic triarii" you could take the Camillian triarii and give them a different shield.

Also, would this be saved-game compatible?

Actually, all o these suggestions require modelling which isn't worth it. I suggest using another mods units and putting them in.

[QuintusSertorius]

Actually, all o these suggestions require modelling which isn't worth it. I suggest using another mods units and putting them in.

Oh, fair enough. Are there any older skins that could be used? Or would it just be easier to get permission from another mod to use theirs?

[Reno Melitensis]

Oh, fair enough. Are there any older skins that could be used? Or would it just be easier to get permission from another mod to use theirs?

I think it would be easier to ask for permission to use other models than to do it yourself. We can ask King Louise, his mini mod, Reign of Ares had a number of roman italic allies units we can use.

Cheers.

[QuintusSertorius]

I think it would be easier to ask for permission to use other models than to do it yourself. We can ask King Louise, his mini mod, Sons of Ares had a number of roman italic allies units we can use.

Cheers.

Is this the mod you're talking about?

It's got some really cool looking alternates:

[Reno Melitensis]

QuintusSertorius what do you think . First we must ask King Louise for permission, than someone to make this mini mod.

Cheers.

[QuintusSertorius]

QuintusSertorius what do you think . First we must ask King Louise for permission, than someone to make this mini mod.

Cheers.

How do we get in touch?

[Reno Melitensis]

I try to send him a pm on the TWC forum, where he post.

Cheers.

[Darth Stalin]

However, these skins are NOT made by KLA - they've been made by limes, an author of Ancient Empires Elysium mod; KLA has only provided some skins for Reign of Ares by Thorlof.
Thorlof's reign of Ares was a mini-mod based upon EB 0.82, and in its final release included both some KLA's skins, as well as some skins of Italic troops from Ancient Empires mod made by limes.

Hope that was clear enough? :D

[Reno Melitensis]

Darth so this skins are the same as those used of Ancient Empires Elysium mod for RTR Platinum?.

[QuintusSertorius]

Who did the skins for RTR? They'd work as well, they're different enough to be distinct.

[Reno Melitensis]

Don,t worry QuintusSertorius, calm down. I visited the TWC forums and I posted a PM to Limes, one of the skinners and developers of RTR Ancient Empires Elysium, and ask for his help. If he agrees to help us that will be the first step towards a Roman Polybian Reforms mini mod.

Cheers.

[Darth Stalin]

@Reno Melitensis:
those You presented? Yes, these skins are from AEE mod; and AFAIK they were made by limes.
I have never played RTR, only took a look into Maced0n's MetroNavalMod for RTR PE 1.9 and don't even remember how the skins looked like, forget to say, who made them.

AEE starts in 280 BC and begins with Polybian reforms already in place, without any Camillan units (it seems that reforms called "Polybian" took place well before the 280 BC).

[Reno Melitensis]

@Darth Stalin
Before coming to EB, I played RTR 6 and Platinum, and a mini mod by Candelarius, if I am not mistaken, that included many Italian Allies. The forte of RTR is more on its battle mode, it had nothing of the historical aspect of EB. Its a great mod, but once I played EB, if found that something is missing hstorically in RTR, so I become crazy on EB.

Now I received a reply from limes, and he was rather surprised, or in his own words, he had forgotten ROA and the inclusion of his skins . In fact he ask me to show him a picture of the units we are interested in using. As he is now working on Ancient Empires he must be sure, I think, that we will not be using he latest skins. So for the moment we must wait. I post as soon as possible.

Cheers,

[Ibrahim]

Is this the mod you're talking about?

It's got some really cool looking alternates:

who the heck is the guy on the lower right? nice Italiani though-just this one caught me eyes..

[QuintusSertorius]

He looks like a triarius.

[mcantu]

Are you sure those are Limes'? It really looks like Prometheus' work...

[QuintusSertorius]

Are you sure those are Limes'? It really looks like Prometheus' work...

I honestly have no idea who did them.

[Ibrahim]

I'll be looking forward to this mini mod's completion. though a piece of warning:

I downloaded a beta for testing(before the download link dissappeared), and used it-the game CTD's big time when in use (before it even gets to the menu screen). you need to stop it fatally CTDing... (I used ROA units (7 of them) to confirm this