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    The Chancellor of the Latin Kingdom turns to the Roman delegation.

    As the Georgians are our allies as well, we have a vested interest in their nation. You did not inform us of your territorial ambitions in lands claimed by Georgia, and so therefore we do not recognize the legitimacy of your forces acting in this regard.

    Your diplomats have already perhaps made a mistake by demanding things which they should not, and now your armed forces have perhaps blundered by moving in the wrong direction by accident. I truly hope the Roman emperor is a more reasonable man. I shall have to send a messenger to contact him personally if this keeps up, informing him of my personal objections.
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    The Roman emissary turns to the Georgian emissary.

    Ani is not Georgian, it is Armenian. We Romans have ruled Armenia for centuries, and thus claim this city. It is a major concession on our part that we allow you to annex the other two cities.

    We are open to negotiation, and are not eager to provoke a conflict, but we will stand by our claim unless a suitable compromise is reached.

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    Konya, Adana, Jerusalem and Cairo were also all Roman possessions for centuries. Are you saying you will be coming for us next? Or is this pure opportunism at a people who do not have the means to strike back?

    Georgia has taken the place of ancestral Armenia, it is fitting that they should have all its territory. The Sultanate of Rum comdemns this opportunistic land grabbing and supports Georgian claims.
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    Devadas Avinash, the Rajput emissary, stands up from his bench and prepares to speak.

    With your permission, Lord Chancellor (this to William of Tyre, who simply nods)...

    The Maharaja has been informed of the will of the people of Sindh to be their own masters (OOC : not AI controlled anymore...).

    This news has brought great joy to our Maharaja, though those people are of a different faith. My master prefers having to deal with a single ruler, be he self-appointed, than numerous bandits chiefs.

    My Lord sends his best wishes to the Malik of Sindh and hope that our people will learn to live as peaceful neighbours.

    As to the Ghorid envoy's observations about our land claims, my master is not so dull-witted that he cannot recognize the need for other people to expand. But that expansion must not be done at the expense of the Rajputs be they Solanski or Chauhan (may their chakras never open...in sotto voce)...

    Therefore, my Lord the Maharaja is ready to renounce all claims on Sindh lands for the reasons stated above as well as Punjab and limit his kingdom expansion to the Decca peninsula and Gange valley (OOC : Deccan and Ganges AOR).

    The Peninsula is the ancestral home of the Hindu people while the Gange and its many tributaries are the most sacred of rivers. Thus, it seems only logical that those regions be once again under the control of our Maharaja.

    Should we succeed in this endeavour, we may claim some more lands in the Punjab region to pacify it, it being rife with banditry but will also be ready to relinquish our hold on those regions to our neighbours for a suitable price.

    We recongnize the claims of the Sindh to the regions they mention and wish them well in their endeavours.

    May Ganesh watch over you all and bring you fortune.

    My Lord, I have finished.

    With an elegant bow, the Rajput sits back down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignoramus
    The Roman emissary turns to the Georgian emissary.

    Ani is not Georgian, it is Armenian. We Romans have ruled Armenia for centuries, and thus claim this city. It is a major concession on our part that we allow you to annex the other two cities.

    We are open to negotiation, and are not eager to provoke a conflict, but we will stand by our claim unless a suitable compromise is reached.
    The Ambassador's aide stands, a much more level headed individual, to deal with the Roman delegation. It is clear the Georgian ambassador is biting his tongue to keep himself from going off the edge again.

    Then I would assume the Ayyubid dynasty is open to your aggressions as well? They are, after all, ruling from what was in ancient days a Roman province. Is the Kingdom of Jerusalem also open to such hostility from your noble court? Whre do the territorial claims; claims that you have never mentioned formally at this council I might add, end exactly?

    The fact remains that upon the opening of this council(or anytime at all for that matter..) the Romans neglected to mention Ani among their provinces in which they put forth a territorial claim. Indeed when we the Kingdom of Georgia did lay claim to it; you failed to dispute it. We took the silence upon the issue that you had no problem with our claim, and to find you now besieging this city without so much as a word an insult to our sovereignty in the region and it is thusly that we fail to recognize the legitimacy of your advance upon the city. You say that you wish peace, and then your tone speaks of allowing us to annex cities that are clearly outside the Roman's zone of control? While not the most powerful, the Kingdom of Georgia does not suffer patronizing lightly.

    Our demand for Roman withdrawal stands, and if the Romans do indeed occupy the city we will respond as if the they had occupied a city of Georgia herself.
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    The Kypchak emissary returns, and is informed of the recent events from his aide and translator. He speaks to his aide, and the translator rises.

    The Kypchak delegation wishes to inform this grand assembly that they wish to remain neutral in any Roman/Georgian conflict. Until I receive word from the Khagan, that is our position.

    The emissary turns to the Roman delegate and grunts, then speaks in Kypchak tongue. The translator continues.

    Our ancestors also made homes in what is now Georgia and Khwarezm. We are an ancient Turkic people, and by your reasoning, we have as much right to claim Ani for our own as you do. We strongly suggest that you renounce all claims to territory held by this measure, for it is a false one. I also warn you that the Khagan will tolerate none of the insolence you have shown here, should you foolishly direct any aggression towards the tribes of the north.

    We do not wish to become burdened with diplomatic entanglements at this time, but even as a neutral state, we will side with the majority if you make outrageous claims.
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    Treaty of Damascus (revised at the request of the Ayyubids):

    turn 1: The Kingdom of Jerusalem camps outside Damascus, sends a diplomat to the Ayyubids with terms to hand Kerak over for Homs, and trade rights.

    turn 2: Ayyubids accept, KoJ moves army into Homs, and asks for Damascus in exchange for regular tribute of 500 florins per turn and a defensive alliance.

    Sometime in the future, the KoJ will offer an undisclosed but agreed upon amount to the Ayyubid Sultan for Damascus.

    Conditions: Damascus cannot have more than five units inside it at any given time, and no generals, for we take that as provocative action and the raising of an army against us. Neither nation will destroy ANY buildings within the walls of any of the three discussed provinces.

    Other terms: Ayyubids are granted an extra 500 florins the turn we receive the Makurian contribution. Ayyubids are granted 2 merchants in our realm free of charge in exchange for 2 of our own. The Latin kingdom, in exchange for the agreement to allow 5 units inside Damascus for public order reasons, (poor militia infantry only, no generals) is exempted from 500 florin payment on turn one.
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    I just re-read the Treaty... notice the conflicting statements in bold.

    00Jebus, we BOTH royally screwed up when we signed this thing. I ask for Damascus on turn two, and then I ask for it later? Ugh... Obviously there are further conflicting statements later regarding the keeping of 5 militia men inside the city with a one turn reprieve from the tribute, which is to be paid for handing over the city. It doesn't even come close to making sense. I can't believe I wrote this thing, and I don't believe we didn't notice it when we signed it. Oy vey.

    I'm sending you a private message to sort this out.

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    The Sultanate of Rum is pleased to announce the ratification and signature of the Treaty of Kutaisi with the Kingdom of Georgia.

    Treaty of Kutaisi

    - Defensive Alliance
    - Trade Rights
    - The Sultanate of Rum recognises Ani, Dvin, Sokhumi and Yerevan as under the sphere of influence of Geogia and no others.
    - The Kingdom of Georgia recognises Amasia, Karaman, Malatya and Erzurum as under the sphere of influence of the Sultanate of Rum and no other.

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    Devadas Avinash, Rajput emissary to the Court of King Baldwin, stands up to speak.

    My Lords, I have grave news to impart.

    A mighty force of Ghorids has been seen marching through the Gange valley, right now crossing the territory of our brethren, the Chauhan Rajputs.

    We would like to hear from the Ghorid the justification of such an aggressive move against the peaceful people of Hindustan.

    We have made our claims to the lands of the Gange valley, sacred lands to us and we fear that such a large will defile those sacred grounds.

    Pray you do not wake Shiva, destroyer of worlds, by your actions, Ghorid...

    With a shake of his head, the Rajput emissary sits down.
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    The Ghorid emissary looks up in considerable surprise.

    Grave news? How so? Indeed, there is a very small army on the border between the Chauhans and the rebels, but it is not meant for aggression against yourself or the Chauhans. I give my solemn vow, with my life held forfeit should it be broken, that no Ghorid army will attack the Solanki people unless they are themselves attacked first.

    The Sultan's lead general is in the Delhi region for peace talks with the Chauhan people. Naturally he brought his personal guard, but you will note they are not troops well suited to an invasion; the only foot are some local mercenary archers. The Ghorid people renew their vows of peaceful relations with all organized nations.

    While in the region, however, the Sultan does intend to hunt rebels. Rebels who most assuredly are not peaceful, who disrupt trade between our peoples, and who oppress the citizens in the lands around them. I trust there is no objection to that? If you wish to hunt rebels with us, you will be more than welcome. Indeed, I note that your own armies are already in siege of the rebels of Annihilavara (sp?). God willing you will bring peace and justice to the innocents there!


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    Devadas Avinash stands up on hearing the Ghorid' s words.

    Small army but fast being mostly cavalry, with some mercenary elephants (sotto voce, those mercenary almost make me puke...just thinking about them...)

    Where was I ?... Yes, a small but fast force, apt to making raids against any undefended Hindu civilians, either rebellious or loyal to our Maharaja...

    I'd like to advise you that my Lord, may Khrishna preserve him, is not "hunting" rebels but simply reminding our people who heir true leader his.

    Speaking of which, the rebel general Jagveda who sought to carve a kingdom for himself out of his fortress at Arjem has been defeated with no losses on our side.

    His fortress is now ours, so that put the Ghorid "small" force at our border thus our concern...

    If you want to hunt rebels I suggest you hunt them in Punjab where I hear they are a multitude and leave the Rajputs alone, be they Chauhan or Solanski.

    As for peace talks with the Chauhan, you would be better advised to send a diplomat than a boot-stomping soldier to conduct your negociations.

    Our Rajput neighbours do not take kindly to soldiering in their lands, nor do we...

    May Rama look favorably on your "hunting", in your lands...
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    The Shah of Ghazni would have me proclaim that the castle of Firuzkuh is under siege and the rebels will soon be crushed and the castle taken for the glorious Ghaznavid Shahdom. Allah be praised!

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    It is pleasing to the Sultan's ears to learn that Ajmer is no longer a rebel holding. As to the rebels to the north, they are not long for this world, and the small force you've noted is not necessary to dealing with them. As your lands now border the province of Delhi we will most assuredly send our men on from there, and clear of said border, to hunt more rebels.


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    Avinash adresses the Ghorid emissary.

    We are pleased to hear that the Sultan was pleased of our Maharaja's success in Ajmer.

    Nevertheless I would caution you to do your "hunting" further west as the rebel provinces of Gwalior, Kannauj and Kalinjar are ours to police, being of Rajput descent...

    If you so desire to bring to heel all rebels in these lands, I would advise you to start with those nearer to your lands, where I hear there are plenty to find between your lands, Ghazni and Sindh...

    Those are your fellow Muslims and should be more amenable to your rule than our Rajput neighbour, unruly lot that they are...

    We nevertheless wish you well in your endeavours.
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    The Georgian ambassador stands, apparently exhausted by the expression upon his face and his mannerism.

    I suppose it is my duty to inform this court that the crisis situation between the Georgian Kingdom and that of the Roman Empire has at last, been disolved. We have known for some days that the situation was difussed, but had to take our time in making it official between the two powers for obvious reasons. Peace has triumphed once more, but it was not without being tested.

    With a bow, the ambassador returns to his seat.
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    Silent for far too long -apart from the ding-a-ling of bells, the occasional camel-related insult thrown at an incompetent slave, the not-so-subtle remarks to everything said by another delegate and the constant, annoying buzz of whispered prayers by a packful of imams- the Abbasid delegation erupts into a joyful, albeit dissonant choir of loud Allahu Akbar, chanted and screamed by the imams and ghulams surrounding Sheik Ahmed.

    The Sheik's herald pains to cover the din of his colleagues, and his failed efforts are met with a disapproving stare from his master. Taking matters into his own hands, Sheik Ahmed stands from the mound of cushions and furs he was reclining on, and raises his arms to silence his followers. Most of them lower their voices, although a few, caught in the rapture of their own prayers prattle on.

    Stubbornly ignoring this fact, the Sheik addresses the assembly:


    Allahu Akbar friends! The Caliphate has negotiated its borders with its neighbors and they are now recognized as such by the Kingdom of Georgia and the Sultanate of Konya and Rum:

    Van and Dyarbakir shall be claimed by the wise and generous An-Nasir, Caliph of Islam, as the northern border of his realm while Malatya will form the easternmost province of the Sultanate of Kilij Arslan of Konya.

    Truly these will be times of peace and prosperity for all! So wills it my master the most esteemed and virtuous Caliph and so shall I endeavor to attain in these chambers!

    Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!

    Gesticulating wildly as he utters his third takbir, Sheik Ahmed loses his balance as his enormous turban strains his head backwards. The ghulams and imams hold their breaths -those who are not still enraptured in their own world of joyful proselytizing- but the Sheik simply falls back down into his cushioned seat with an ungracious poof! and a ring of little bells.

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    Archbishop William of Tyre addresses the assembly:

    Truly these are great times, when nations of differing religions can come to simple peace accords and defined borders with one another. My young master King Baldwin will be most pleased to hear of this news. We also wish to announce that minor technical issues have been resolved between Jerusalem and the Ayyubid Sultanate, and we now retain possession of Damascus, Homs, and Hama, while the Ayyubids march south into their lands. We are sending regular shipments of gold stamped with the official seal of King Baldwin of Jerusalem as payment for these lands, and when our treasury affords it, a great amount of gold will be paid in full to our peaceful friends to the South.

    It pleases me to see an agreement be reached between Rome and Georgia, the Hindus and the Muslims of the far east, and the Ghaznavids taking control of the outlaws in their region. This is truly a blessed time for all nations of peace and brotherhood.
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    The Ghaznavid Emissary rises for the first time in many days to speak before the council

    Friends it is with a heavy heart that i must inform you of base treachery. gasps rise from the assembled dignitaries, seeing some looking with guilty conciences he continues... I would not accuse your esteemed personages of such an act. Rather a canker has been growing at our heart. Masud Ghaznavi, who was like a son to my Shah turned his back on his country and his kin for nothing more than gold. However Shah Khusrau himself rode out and destroyed him with his own hands, the traitor's head now rests atop a pike outside the great fortress of Ghazni. Such is the fate of all traitors, and any who would seek to harm Ghazni and her people. Those of you who would comit treachery see this as your first and only warning.

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    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Yes, I should note to any newcomers how pathetic the loyalty of some of our starting generals is.

    Please keep in mind, they are likely to go rebel without a fort around their arse.
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    I am much saddened to learn of the difficulties of my Ghazni brethern. If there is anything my people can do to aid your own you have only to ask.

    I am happier to announce that a tentative agreement has been reached with the Chauhachans whereby they will claim the castle at Multan and our aid with their rebel problem in exchange for peace and prosperity. Allah grant that they hold true!

    It is also with great pleasure that I announce the capture of Gwalior from the vile rebels ruling it. I hope to hold discussions with the Rajput Maharaja over the final disposition of this city, and I have contacted him privately, but I am also amenable to public debate on the topic. Every rebel city in India west of Gwalior is already held by the Ghorid Empire, claimed by the Sindh, or promised to the Chauhachans. With the aid of Allah soon the plague of rebels which has troubled all our peoples will be at an end!

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    the Ayyubid sultanate applaud the quick reaction to the disloyalty and treason of ghanzivid troops, and continue to wish all muslims every sucess.

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    Word has reached the Ghorid Empire that the Rajput Maharaja has declared war on our people and sacked the city of Gwalior, which we peacefully occupied with the sole intent of negotiating a handover. The Sultan is sickened by this vile and unecessary act of war, and declares the Rajputs outlaws in unjust possession of land. If this is how the Hindus wish to fight, then this is the sort of battle we shall give them.

    I vow here in this chamber that they shall end as a nation or end as our vassals, and no lesser compromise short of the return of Gwalior is acceptable. After such a return, presuming that gesture is possible of course, peaceful, rational negotiations can resume, even with a people so clearly reliant on violence to spread their ways.

    May Allah most merciful grant us victory!

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    The Kypchak emissary receives a scroll from an aide, bearing the seal of the Great Khagan of the Kypchak Horde. He speaks to his translator, who rises.

    The Kypchak delegation wishes to inform our neighboring states that we have claimed Belgorod and Magas for our people. Any caught in our ancestral lands will be promptly rounded up and executed. Do not trespass across our new borders.

    ______________________

    The Makurian delegate is absent for some reason, but a scroll is read by an aide informing the assembly of events in his absence:

    We have claimed Qasr Ibrim and Meroe for the Christian Kingdom of Makuria. We have also opened negotiations with the Armenian ambassador.

    Our borders are closed, and our neighbors must respect them!
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    The Armenian delegate is also absent, and a Latin aide makes an announcement in his place:

    We wish to announce that the castle of Seleukeia has fallen to our forces, with minimal casualties. This land is now Armenian, let none trespass across our borders, friend or foe. We also wish to announce that the nation of Armenia now has a navy, with which to patrol the waters surrounding our great cities and also those of our allies.

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    Archbishop William of Tyre, the Chancellor of the Kingdom, enters the forum.

    We congratulate our noble allies, the Armenians, for wiping out the last remaining rebels in southern Anatolia, and for expanding the borders of their fine nation. As for ourselves, I have some mixed news...

    Our forces have finally massed to put down the rebellion of "Prince" Bohemund III of Antioch, the Traitor of Christendom. We managed to force open the gates and marched directly towards the center of town, ignoring the hail of missile fire which glanced off of our soldier's fine armour. Bohemund and his core garrison forces would not yield the city, and they stood their ground. Our men fought bravely and with conviction, for traitors will not receive the compassion and forgiveness of our King.

    Baldwin himself led his finest mounted knights around the back of the town square, and engaged the enemy from behind. Our heavy infantry battled their way forward to form a pocket around the tyrant Bohemund. We then rushed in our heavy spears and after an hour of horriffic melee fighting, the Prince was slain by our men. His missile forces which had held the walls and some of his Latin knights were now behind us, and we turned to face them, and after a few more minutes, the fate of the battle was clear, and they panicked. They were slain easily by our forces.

    By now, 50% of our men had fallen. But 80% of their forces were gone... and so Baldwin encircled the remaining mass of spears and swords who defiantly held the center, and directed his heaviest infantry to pin them and surround them. Then Baldwin himself charged his cavalry into the rear and cut them down. The huddled mass of bloody death became smaller and smaller...

    Finally, with almost 60% casualties, our brave and unflinching men stood unopposed in the center of our great city. Let the world know that traitors, no matter how powerful or determined in their own defense, will always and forever fall to the might of righteous nations.

    I sincerely hope other nations will follow our example, and utterly wipe out those dens of outlaws and criminals in their midst. I am a man of peace, but outlaws cannot be tolerated.

    The Heroes of Antioch ride north to Aleppo, to put down Mustafa, the King of Thieves. I am aware that these rebels are men of the Holy Qu'ran, but they have been predators of innocent Muslims, Catholics, and Christians alike, and must be stopped. We hope that we have the blessing of our Muslim brothers to the north and south to capture these criminals, and restore order and prosperity to the region.
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    Default Re: Broken Crescent 2: RoPG (IC diplomacy thread)

    The Ayyubid sultanate congradulates the Latin kingdom's soilders in their bravery and skill in taking such a well held position

    the ambassador bows

    And to the muslims here, Mecca and Medina will soon be safe for all muslims to complete their hajj, without trouble from bandits and brigends.
    WotB: Timarchos Anaias Mysiakes, marching round the arche beating up rebels

    LotR: Lisas Attaliedas, currently in reserve

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