Are the numbers correct in Burma?

[Beirut]

No, Don't Try it Again.

We Help These People, then they bite us in our later. Do You Wish to see the pictures of the Somilias dragging US Soliders though the streets? I seen them, have you?

That's far too convenient an excuse to stay in our shell and look only inwards. It takes guts to help people and a lot of people have the guts to do it. Thank God for them.

I mean, I don't really see countries helping the US half the time.

I don't see it as reasonable that the value of a person's life be measured on a scale of how much he has helped the US.

You Do Not Give These uncivlized countries free stuff...

Would you care to enlighten us with your standards of civilization that need be met in order for children to be fed?

[rory_20_uk]

Every day in countries all over the world Children die. In many the odds of them surviving post aid is greater than that in Burma. For bang per buck Burma is a poor choice.

It is fair not to see it reasonable to base the lives of others as only valuable in terms of one's own country, but it is as valid as the opposite position.

Merely saving the lives of children doesn't make or break a civilisation. And to emote the issue with "please think of the poor children" appears to be no more than padding to an argument.

[Beirut]

Merely saving the lives of children doesn't make or break a civilisation.

Perhaps, but the act of helping may define one.

And to emote the issue with "please think of the poor children" appears to be no more than padding to an argument.

Unless of course "thinking of the poor children" is the issue.

[Caius]

Loans to control Myanmar?

[rory_20_uk]

Unless of course "thinking of the poor children" is the issue.

Why is it the lives of children are worth more than adults?

I agree that an empire is largely remembered by its actions for good or bad. Jumping at obvious plights doesn't make me think more of one though.

[Beirut]

Why is it the lives of children are worth more than adults?

Never said they were. Though many of us do live by the tenet of women & children first. Granted, it's a bias. I don't think an unseemly or unhealthy one, though.

I agree that an empire is largely remembered by its actions for good or bad. Jumping at obvious plights doesn't make me think more of one though.

Not jumping, nor even skipping along, does make me think less, though.

[rory_20_uk]

Never said they were. Though many of us do live by the tenet of women & children first. Granted, it's a bias. I don't think an unseemly or unhealthy one, though.

But rather foolish nevertheless. Children will die far more easily from likely threats, be they hypothermia, shock, trauma or whatever. Women are less able to protect them than men are, due to less physical strength.

The siege of Leningrad was a good example of this: parents starved themselves to feed their children. When the parents died the children quickly followed with no one to look after them.

For best survival rates, it should be men, then women, then children then lastly the elderly.

[Beirut]

But rather foolish nevertheless. Children will die far more easily from likely threats, be they hypothermia, shock, trauma or whatever. Women are less able to protect them than men are, due to less physical strength.

The siege of Leningrad was a good example of this: parents starved themselves to feed their children. When the parents died the children quickly followed with no one to look after them.

For best survival rates, it should be men, then women, then children then lastly the elderly.

Maybe so, but there is a level of Darwinism in there that I could never ascribe to in real life.

[Devastatin Dave]

Why is it the lives of children are worth more than adults?

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When you have one one day, you'll understand.

To Beirut...
Again, I was not argueing against your idea, in fact, I'm all for it, the only problem is that it is not up to you or I. The US, Canada, Britain, and other nations that usually have the testicular fortitude that many UN parasite nations don't have will NOT violate this nation's soverinty in the manor in which you describe. You see, when you go to countries that are being run by murderous dictators and overthrow them or try to change their oppressive regimes, it creates a lot of bad press and many in the world will call you a cowboy, occupier, crusader, or whatever. Strangly enough I believe I've heard you say the same thing for a few years now when something similar to what you are suggesting happened. There is no way in hell the US or any other of the Western countries will EVER get involved in stopping genocides or attempting to assist those within failed states. Now, we will just have to sit back and watch millions die because of global politics and buerocracies.

[Tribesman]

You see, when you go to countries that are being run by murderous dictators and overthrow them or try to change their oppressive regimes, it creates a lot of bad press and many in the world will call you a cowboy, occupier, crusader, or whatever.

Actually Dave I think many in the world only call them that when it is done by hypocrits who do so over a pile of obvious lies and to top it all off make a complete balls of it , but hey don't let little things like that put you out of victim mode eh .
BTW didn't your country get widely criticised for its poor performance at disaster response and didn't it refuse aid and assistance from some countries . global politics and beaurocracy eh

[Devastatin Dave]

Actually Dave I think many in the world only call them that when it is done by hypocrits who do so over a pile of obvious lies and to top it all off make a complete balls of it , but hey don't let little things like that put you out of victim mode eh .
BTW didn't your country get widely criticised for its poor performance at disaster response and didn't it refuse aid and assistance from some countries . global politics and beaurocracy eh

When your country does 1/100 the amount of aid and assistance my country does, then your criticism will have any meaning to me.

[rory_20_uk]

When you have one one day, you'll understand.

No, not my children or family which of course are more important than anyone or anything in the world, but other people's children.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

That's far too convenient an excuse to stay in our shell and look only inwards. It takes guts to help people and a lot of people have the guts to do it. Thank God for them.



I don't see it as reasonable that the value of a person's life be measured on a scale of how much he has helped the US.



Would you care to enlighten us with your standards of civilization that need be met in order for children to be fed?

No, Would you care to enlighten of how we can feed our children here in the US and help out people here, and not give them loans while we gives these Anti-American Countries Money.

Answer that first, then I'll answer your question.

[Beirut]

Answer that first, then I'll answer your question.

Umm... ok.

No, Would you care to enlighten of how we can feed our children here in the US and help out people here, and not give them loans while we gives these Anti-American Countries Money.

Irrespective of our desire to help our fellow man here at home, we have the ability to help our fellow man here at home. It is clearly a matter of expediency and choice. As we are awash in cashews & milk here in North America, and, as I believe, we are fundamentally good people, then we have an obligation to others as well as ourselves to help. (The Hebrew word for charity translates as duty. I like that.)

To take the other side, people with little often give much because they understand the depravity of destitution and are willing to sacrifice to help their fellow man. It is that example that defines the very best of us.