Are the numbers correct in Burma?

[rory_20_uk]

Every day in countries all over the world Children die. In many the odds of them surviving post aid is greater than that in Burma. For bang per buck Burma is a poor choice.

It is fair not to see it reasonable to base the lives of others as only valuable in terms of one's own country, but it is as valid as the opposite position.

Merely saving the lives of children doesn't make or break a civilisation. And to emote the issue with "please think of the poor children" appears to be no more than padding to an argument.

[Beirut]

Merely saving the lives of children doesn't make or break a civilisation.

Perhaps, but the act of helping may define one.

And to emote the issue with "please think of the poor children" appears to be no more than padding to an argument.

Unless of course "thinking of the poor children" is the issue.

[Caius]

Loans to control Myanmar?

[rory_20_uk]

Unless of course "thinking of the poor children" is the issue.

Why is it the lives of children are worth more than adults?

I agree that an empire is largely remembered by its actions for good or bad. Jumping at obvious plights doesn't make me think more of one though.

[Beirut]

Why is it the lives of children are worth more than adults?

Never said they were. Though many of us do live by the tenet of women & children first. Granted, it's a bias. I don't think an unseemly or unhealthy one, though.

I agree that an empire is largely remembered by its actions for good or bad. Jumping at obvious plights doesn't make me think more of one though.

Not jumping, nor even skipping along, does make me think less, though.

[rory_20_uk]

Never said they were. Though many of us do live by the tenet of women & children first. Granted, it's a bias. I don't think an unseemly or unhealthy one, though.

But rather foolish nevertheless. Children will die far more easily from likely threats, be they hypothermia, shock, trauma or whatever. Women are less able to protect them than men are, due to less physical strength.

The siege of Leningrad was a good example of this: parents starved themselves to feed their children. When the parents died the children quickly followed with no one to look after them.

For best survival rates, it should be men, then women, then children then lastly the elderly.

[Beirut]

But rather foolish nevertheless. Children will die far more easily from likely threats, be they hypothermia, shock, trauma or whatever. Women are less able to protect them than men are, due to less physical strength.

The siege of Leningrad was a good example of this: parents starved themselves to feed their children. When the parents died the children quickly followed with no one to look after them.

For best survival rates, it should be men, then women, then children then lastly the elderly.

Maybe so, but there is a level of Darwinism in there that I could never ascribe to in real life.

[Devastatin Dave]

Why is it the lives of children are worth more than adults?

.

When you have one one day, you'll understand.

To Beirut...
Again, I was not argueing against your idea, in fact, I'm all for it, the only problem is that it is not up to you or I. The US, Canada, Britain, and other nations that usually have the testicular fortitude that many UN parasite nations don't have will NOT violate this nation's soverinty in the manor in which you describe. You see, when you go to countries that are being run by murderous dictators and overthrow them or try to change their oppressive regimes, it creates a lot of bad press and many in the world will call you a cowboy, occupier, crusader, or whatever. Strangly enough I believe I've heard you say the same thing for a few years now when something similar to what you are suggesting happened. There is no way in hell the US or any other of the Western countries will EVER get involved in stopping genocides or attempting to assist those within failed states. Now, we will just have to sit back and watch millions die because of global politics and buerocracies.

[Tribesman]

You see, when you go to countries that are being run by murderous dictators and overthrow them or try to change their oppressive regimes, it creates a lot of bad press and many in the world will call you a cowboy, occupier, crusader, or whatever.

Actually Dave I think many in the world only call them that when it is done by hypocrits who do so over a pile of obvious lies and to top it all off make a complete balls of it , but hey don't let little things like that put you out of victim mode eh .
BTW didn't your country get widely criticised for its poor performance at disaster response and didn't it refuse aid and assistance from some countries . global politics and beaurocracy eh

[Devastatin Dave]

Actually Dave I think many in the world only call them that when it is done by hypocrits who do so over a pile of obvious lies and to top it all off make a complete balls of it , but hey don't let little things like that put you out of victim mode eh .
BTW didn't your country get widely criticised for its poor performance at disaster response and didn't it refuse aid and assistance from some countries . global politics and beaurocracy eh

When your country does 1/100 the amount of aid and assistance my country does, then your criticism will have any meaning to me.

[Beirut]

When your little _________ country does 1/100 the amount of aid and assistance my country does, then your criticism will have any meaning to me.

Let the meaningfullness roll.


National giving as a percent of GDP (2005)
According to the Charities Aid Foundation [1],

1. United States - 1.67%
2. United Kingdom - .73%
3. Canada - .72%
4. Australia - .69%
5. South Africa - .64%
6. Ireland - .47%
7. Netherlands - .45%
8. Singapore - .29%
9. New Zealand - .29%
10. Turkey - .23%
11. Germany - .22%
12. France - .14%

[edit] Private donations


Public donations (2006)
According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development[3],

1. United States - $22.739 billion
2. United Kingdom - $12.607 billion
3. Japan - $11.608 billion
4. France - $10.448 billion
5. Germany - $10.351 billion
6. Netherlands - $5.452 billion
7. Sweden - $3.962 billion
8. Spain - $3.801 billion
9. Canada - $3.731 billion
10. Italy - $3.672 billion
11. Norway - $2.946 billion
12. Denmark - $2.234 billion
13. Australia - $2.128 billion
14. Belgium - $1.968 billion
15. Switzerland - $1.647 billion
16. Austria - $1.513 billion
17. Ireland - $997 million
18. Finland - $826 million
19. Portugal - $391 million
20. Greece - $384 million
21. Luxembourg - $291 million
22. New Zealand - $257 million

[rory_20_uk]

When you have one one day, you'll understand.

No, not my children or family which of course are more important than anyone or anything in the world, but other people's children.