Punch through the center, yao

**konny** · 05-13-2008, 12:03

Originally Posted by Parallel Pain

As for where punching worked, off the top of my head:
Issus
Gaugamela

In both cases a flanking manouver was the decisive move.

Mikatagahara (actually probably 2/5 of all Sengoku Jidai field battles)

Don't know.

Australiz

You mean Austerlitz? The French attack actualy hit what was the allied right wing because most of the allied forces had allready moved SW where they were pinned by Davout between Pratzen and Satschan. Examples for frontal engagements from the Napoleonic Wars would be Waterloo, Borodino, Lingy and the like.

Nevertheless, frontal assaults do work in EB because the AI is hardly fielding any reserves and often has all the better units on the flanks. Once you have punched through the line you are able to envelope both his wings and have your cavalry rushing through the gap to finish his light troops and move at will behind the enemy's line. This very usefull when you are outnumbered but have the better quality troops.

**General Appo** · 05-13-2008, 20:41

Actually, punching through the middle was much easier in Vanilla, where units routs and die at an incredible rate. Had Cannae been played on RTW the Hastati would likely have killed off the Gauls even before Hannibal´s cavalry had engaged the Romans.

**Parallel Pain** · 05-14-2008, 03:15

Originally Posted by konny

In both cases a flanking manouver was the decisive move.

At Issus Alexander just rushed straight forward and mashed through the enemy left center with companion + hypaspists, he didn't even try to move around the flank. The hole he created he exploited by hitting everywhere else of the Persian line from the side and rear.

At Gaugamela while Alexander hammer-anvil-ed the Persian Center, broke through, and again swamped all the other part of the Persian line. No move around the flank.

Originally Posted by konny

You mean Austerlitz? The French attack actualy hit what was the allied right wing because most of the allied forces had allready moved SW where they were pinned by Davout between Pratzen and Satschan.

Technically, the Allied right was further north fighting Lanne's V Corps.

As for the game, I guess me playing VH battles with Darth AI formation mod makes punching a lot harder.

**chenkai11** · 05-14-2008, 03:54

Why not use the Trojans flaming balls to punch a hole?

**pezhetairoi** · 05-14-2008, 10:31

Is that a joke?

And where're you from, chenkai? Your name sounds Chinese. Haven't seen you around on the EB org so i'll just say welcome!

**Maion Maroneios** · 05-14-2008, 11:03

I have recently discovered that, in my battles as Makedonia, in almost every case I come close to losing with one of my main armies, it is bacause the enemy breaks trough my phalanx center. That is why I am experimenting with a different army composition, with some reserve troops. You see, as soon as your solid wall of spears is broken, it is 99% sure you're going to suffer heavy casualties.

**KhaziOfKalabara** · 05-21-2008, 09:00

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

I have recently discovered that, in my battles as Makedonia, in almost every case I come close to losing with one of my main armies, it is bacause the enemy breaks trough my phalanx center. That is why I am experimenting with a different army composition, with some reserve troops. You see, as soon as your solid wall of spears is broken, it is 99% sure you're going to suffer heavy casualties.

Once the phalanx line of battle breaks, then you are finished. But it only rarely happens to me. Who are you fighting against, with which .exe, and is this with the standard EB formations?

**pezhetairoi** · 05-21-2008, 09:05

But then again, also, the phalanx against phalanx thing is a bit buggy, somehow the defender keeps getting eaten up by the attacking phalanx. Which should not be the case, I think, historically, since the defenders should be better able to maintain formation...

**chenkai11** · 05-14-2008, 12:27

Originally Posted by pezhetairoi

Is that a joke?

And where're you from, chenkai? Your name sounds Chinese. Haven't seen you around on the EB org so i'll just say welcome!

It may sound like a joke, but during ancient war some "tools" were used in warfare. I just wonder why RTW doesn't offer that option? Instead they give us the flaming pigs.

I am always at the TWC, rarely posting here, just recently active in this forum.

And why do you ask where I was from? Wasn't my name sounds like Koreans? Are you Chinese?

And are you serious on saying Welcome!?

Too much off topic, sorry, I was just replying to the post.

**pezhetairoi** · 05-15-2008, 04:50

Lol, your name sounds chinese. I'm Chinese, so I'm just curious as to which part of the world you come from.

Yes, I was serious. It is considered a polite thing to do around here. :D

I wasn't aware the Trojans used flaming balls though. If you're alluding to that ridiculous Troy movie starring Brad Pitt, I cringe in horror.

**chenkai11** · 05-15-2008, 05:49

Originally Posted by pezhetairoi

Lol, your name sounds chinese. I'm Chinese, so I'm just curious as to which part of the world you come from.

Yes, I was serious. It is considered a polite thing to do around here. :D

I wasn't aware the Trojans used flaming balls though. If you're alluding to that ridiculous Troy movie starring Brad Pitt, I cringe in horror.

Yep, I am Chinese living now in the Philippines. You?

Thanks for the welcoming note

Haha, sorry for the flaming balls. But I really believe "tools in flame" were used in battle to create panic and chaos in enemy formation especially by the ancient Chinese.