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Intersting information. Does this change your feelings from one of the greatest minds of modern thought? I find it fascinating at his definite use of language. I would like to hear how he came to his conclusions and whether he used scientific reasoning for this. The main purpose is just to hear the reaction from my fellow Orgah's and their opinions supporting or disagreeing with Mr. Einstein.
Intersting information. Does this change your feelings from one of the greatest minds of modern thought? I find it fascinating at his definite use of language. I would like to hear how he came to his conclusions and whether he used scientific reasoning for this. The main purpose is just to hear the reaction from my fellow Orgah's and their opinions supporting or disagreeing with Mr. Einstein.
Read it earlier today. He's right about religion IMO.
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
The main purpose is just to hear the reaction from my fellow Orgah's and their opinions supporting or disagreeing with Mr. Einstein.
Whilst you were silently lobbying for your Senior Membership, we had about 256 threads (The main purpose is just to hear the reaction from my fellow Orgah's and their opinions supporting or disagreeing with Mr. Einstein.
) about this subject. Before I throw up, let me quickly say that Einstein was wrong on the Bible; you don't have to believe in the sky-God to appreciate the book as a source of wisdom.It's spelled out Einstein; E - I - N - S - T - E - I - N. Thank you. 
Has anyone ever seen "gentlemans agreement" ?
The proffesor in that film always stuck me as a charicature of Einstein
The proffesor in that film always stuck me as a charicature of Einstein
Originally Posted by :
Whilst you were silently lobbying for your Senior Membership
Just goes to show I should wear my gigs more these days. Congrats on senior member Dave, there's hope for foul-mouthed-me yet! Whilst you were silently lobbying for your Senior Membership
I essentially agree with his view on religion, but my prejudice aside, as he made his name in quite a different field, other than that he was clearly an intelligent man I don't think that his views carry any special weight.
I know a reasonable amount about the law, but I don't think it means anyone should pay any more attention to my opinions on general relativity.
I know a reasonable amount about the law, but I don't think it means anyone should pay any more attention to my opinions on general relativity.
Faith, by definition, is a choice. You choose to believe your parents loved you or you don't. There's no objective proof of it, nor is there proof of the existence, or the lack thereof of a supreme being, call Him/Her what you will.
I agree with EA though, that Einstein's preeminent status as a physicist shouldn't necessarily convey 'extra credence' to his views. Physics is the study of the knowable, and theology & dogma are concerned with the unknowable.
'grats on the Senior Membership, Dave. IA, I'm flabbergasted at the oversight. You should have been way ahead of me in line. I'd argue everyone that everyone that has posted in this thread already should be in the club.
I agree with EA though, that Einstein's preeminent status as a physicist shouldn't necessarily convey 'extra credence' to his views. Physics is the study of the knowable, and theology & dogma are concerned with the unknowable.
'grats on the Senior Membership, Dave. IA, I'm flabbergasted at the oversight. You should have been way ahead of me in line. I'd argue everyone that everyone that has posted in this thread already should be in the club.
Originally Posted by Don Corleone:
Faith, by definition, is a choice. You choose to believe your parents loved you or you don't. There's no objective proof of it, nor is there proof of the existence, or the lack thereof of a supreme being, call Him/Her what you will.
I agree with EA though, that Einstein's preeminent status as a physicist shouldn't necessarily convey 'extra credence' to his views. Physics is the study of the knowable, and theology & dogma are concerned with the unknowable.
I believe that the point of the article is that Einsteins more ambivalent statements have often been used in support of religion.Faith, by definition, is a choice. You choose to believe your parents loved you or you don't. There's no objective proof of it, nor is there proof of the existence, or the lack thereof of a supreme being, call Him/Her what you will.
I agree with EA though, that Einstein's preeminent status as a physicist shouldn't necessarily convey 'extra credence' to his views. Physics is the study of the knowable, and theology & dogma are concerned with the unknowable.
Originally Posted by :
I'd argue everyone that everyone that has posted in this thread already should be in the club.
Don't be silly Don , I posted in this thread already .I'd argue everyone that everyone that has posted in this thread already should be in the club.
Originally Posted by :
You choose to believe your parents loved you or you don't.
Gives Don a great big You choose to believe your parents loved you or you don't.
Sorry mate, knowing your parents love you is not an act of faith.
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IA, I'm flabbergasted at the oversight. You should have been way ahead of me in line.
No ta. I'm happy as I am. Unique. IA, I'm flabbergasted at the oversight. You should have been way ahead of me in line.
Originally Posted by Einstein:
"As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
He might not believe in religion but his words are prophetic."As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
Nor do I think only priests can say if God exists anymore then McDonald's burger flippers decide what is a good hamburger.
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
Don't be silly Don , I posted in this thread already .
I was well aware of that when I made the statement. Don't be silly Don , I posted in this thread already .
Originally Posted by Don Corleone:
I was well aware of that when I made the statement.
Seconded. I was well aware of that when I made the statement.
We should start a Senior Club and appoint Tribesman honorary president. And then depose him. I mean, come on..
But then I wouldn't be allowed to play. 
Einstein was an enlightened man indeed....I see no big surprise in his declaration
Originally Posted by Adrian II:
Whilst you were silently lobbying for your Senior Membership, we had about 256 threads () about this subject. Before I throw up, let me quickly say that Einstein was wrong on the Bible; you don't have to believe in the sky-God to appreciate the book as a source of wisdom.
I apologise for my causing your nausia. I did not realise that the subject of Einstein's beliefs had been discussed in 256 threads. Strangly enough, I could not find 256, but, much like the belief in a Creator, one must have faith in their fellow man, so I'll take your word for it. Whilst you were silently lobbying for your Senior Membership, we had about 256 threads (
) about this subject. Before I throw up, let me quickly say that Einstein was wrong on the Bible; you don't have to believe in the sky-God to appreciate the book as a source of wisdom.
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
Strangly enough, I could not find 256
That's because you're no Einstein. And you're no journalist either or you wouldn't take my word for it. Strangly enough, I could not find 256
Originally Posted by Adrian II:
We should start a Senior Club and appoint Tribesman honorary president.
There already is a grumpy old men thread...We should start a Senior Club and appoint Tribesman honorary president.
/runs away
Man Dave you used to be so sexy. We, the rejected, will just have to rise without you, and rise we will like a purple helmet on a pole.
I find this thread interesting, I won't say more because Adrian is posting here.
How about a plumb topped sausage?
Anyway, just as others have said, he was great scientist but I would not ask him to make me cake.
Would be well skunky.
Anyway, just as others have said, he was great scientist but I would not ask him to make me cake.
Would be well skunky.
Originally Posted by Husar:
I find this thread interesting, I won't say more because Adrian is posting here.
Eh? I find this thread interesting, I won't say more because Adrian is posting here.
See that's why, did you really think we didn't notice?
Originally Posted by Fragony:
See that's why, did you really think we didn't notice?
So that's.. you mean, you've.. See that's why, did you really think we didn't notice?
So, you guys found out, huh?
The wisdom of any man, even the smartest ever born on the Earth, doesn't mean much. If God exists, then the wisdom of the wisest man on Earth is foolishness to God. Utlimately, all & any statements about there being no God from the mouth of any man, is merely unfounded speculation. It cannot be proven. Therefore it is unimportant what any man thinks. God or the lack of God is what it is, speculation about it from the smartest man on Earth has no bearing on whether God exists or not.
If the letter described in the article is true, though, then Einstein does indeed lose a lot of credibility. What makes his lack of belief in God - which is simply a guess - any "less childish" than belief in God? There isn't any reasonable answer to that. Therefore, Einstein making a definitive, derogatory statement about the belief in God is based on nothing other than his own personal emotions, not logic or science. As such, Einstein's remark was itself childish.
It should also be noted that Jesus said it is good to accept him and God as children accept him. So while Einstein meant his "childish" comments as a slur against belief in God, in fact a "childish belief in God" may indeed be the best possible thing for human beings to have.
If the letter described in the article is true, though, then Einstein does indeed lose a lot of credibility. What makes his lack of belief in God - which is simply a guess - any "less childish" than belief in God? There isn't any reasonable answer to that. Therefore, Einstein making a definitive, derogatory statement about the belief in God is based on nothing other than his own personal emotions, not logic or science. As such, Einstein's remark was itself childish.
It should also be noted that Jesus said it is good to accept him and God as children accept him. So while Einstein meant his "childish" comments as a slur against belief in God, in fact a "childish belief in God" may indeed be the best possible thing for human beings to have.
What's up with the last paragraph? Thought you'd given up on the New Testament as too soft...?
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S:
What's up with the last paragraph? Thought you'd given up on the New Testament as too soft...?
I do not agree with everything in the New Testament, at the same time, I do not think it's entirely invalid either nor do I think that Jesus was a sham. That's why I used the word may in my previous post instead of simply making it a definitive statement. I've realized that I can't understand everything for certain, nor can anyone. Which incidentally, is precisely the problem with the alleged statement by Einstein that this thread is discussing.What's up with the last paragraph? Thought you'd given up on the New Testament as too soft...?
Originally Posted by Navaros:
I do not agree with everything in the New Testament, at the same time, I do not think it's entirely invalid either nor do I think that Jesus was a sham. That's why I used the word may in my previous post instead of simply making it a definitive statement. I've realized that I can't understand everything for certain, nor can anyone. Which incidentally, is precisely the problem with the alleged statement by Einstein that this thread is discussing.
I do not agree with everything in the New Testament, at the same time, I do not think it's entirely invalid either nor do I think that Jesus was a sham. That's why I used the word may in my previous post instead of simply making it a definitive statement. I've realized that I can't understand everything for certain, nor can anyone. Which incidentally, is precisely the problem with the alleged statement by Einstein that this thread is discussing.
So how do you know that it is Christianity that is correct and not Hinduism? I think asking such questions is nearing Einsteins line of thought.
Originally Posted by Navaros:
The wisdom of any man, even the smartest ever born on the Earth, doesn't mean much. If God exists, then the wisdom of the wisest man on Earth is foolishness to God. Utlimately, all & any statements about there being no God from the mouth of any man, is merely unfounded speculation. It cannot be proven. Therefore it is unimportant what any man thinks. God or the lack of God is what it is, speculation about it from the smartest man on Earth has no bearing on whether God exists or not.
If the letter described in the article is true, though, then Einstein does indeed lose a lot of credibility. What makes his lack of belief in God - which is simply a guess - any "less childish" than belief in God? There isn't any reasonable answer to that. Therefore, Einstein making a definitive, derogatory statement about the belief in God is based on nothing other than his own personal emotions, not logic or science. As such, Einstein's remark was itself childish.
It should also be noted that Jesus said it is good to accept him and God as children accept him. So while Einstein meant his "childish" comments as a slur against belief in God, in fact a "childish belief in God" may indeed be the best possible thing for human beings to have.
So far, the best and most thoughtful post within this thread. Thank you Nav.The wisdom of any man, even the smartest ever born on the Earth, doesn't mean much. If God exists, then the wisdom of the wisest man on Earth is foolishness to God. Utlimately, all & any statements about there being no God from the mouth of any man, is merely unfounded speculation. It cannot be proven. Therefore it is unimportant what any man thinks. God or the lack of God is what it is, speculation about it from the smartest man on Earth has no bearing on whether God exists or not.
If the letter described in the article is true, though, then Einstein does indeed lose a lot of credibility. What makes his lack of belief in God - which is simply a guess - any "less childish" than belief in God? There isn't any reasonable answer to that. Therefore, Einstein making a definitive, derogatory statement about the belief in God is based on nothing other than his own personal emotions, not logic or science. As such, Einstein's remark was itself childish.
It should also be noted that Jesus said it is good to accept him and God as children accept him. So while Einstein meant his "childish" comments as a slur against belief in God, in fact a "childish belief in God" may indeed be the best possible thing for human beings to have.
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