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    Default Re: For PanzerJaeger, comparing the armies of WW2

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
    The Poles weren't able to defend their country nearly as well as Finland, and if your numbers are correct, the Poles had better odds in terms of manpower.

    Polish Campaign:

    Polish Forces
    1,000,000 soldiers
    500 tanks
    400 aircraft

    German and Soviet Forces
    2,300,000 soldiers
    2500 tanks
    2300 aircraft

    Winter War:

    Finnish Forces
    250,000 soldiers
    30 tanks
    130 aircraft

    Soviet Forces
    1,000,000 soldiers
    6500 tanks
    3800 aircraft

    Compare the odds:

    Polish Campaign
    Soldiers: 2.3 to 1 in favour of Germany/Soviets
    Tanks: 5 to 1 in favour of Germany/Soviets
    Aircraft: 5.75 to 1 in favour of Germany/Soviets

    Winter War
    Soldiers: 4 to 1 in favour of Soviets
    Tanks: 217 to 1 in favour of Soviets
    Aircraft: 29 to 1 in favour of Soviets

    If that label can even be assigned (which I do not believe it can - how do you classify "most heroic" anyways? However you do it, I'm willing to bet it's excluding Germans), it goes completely, 100% to the Finns, in my opinion.
    Sorry for not getting back sooner on this, and I didn't mean to offend or start a row. I thank you for the interesting comparison of odds. On paper it appears as if the Polish Army should have given a better account of themselves, but numbers alone aren't always the answer. As others have pointed out, the massive numerical advantages of the Red armies were in many ways negated by the severe weather encountered. Also, their attack doctrine was no where near as developed as were the Blitzkrieg operations of the Germans. Still I totally agree that Finland put up a spirited and heroic defense. The initiative of all ranks within the Finnish Army allowed them to take advantage of the blundering, and overconfident Soviet attack. This enabled the Finns to negotiate from a position of strength as the Russians wished to avoid further casualties even though they won. My hat is off to Finland.

    The Poles, on the other hand, faced a much different situation entirely. Attacked by a competent enemy with a much superior mobile element as the Panzer Corps, backed up by a modern air force, both tied together with good communications, led by a General Staff that was second to none at the time, all this during near perfect campaign conditions- the result was almost a certainty. Still, the Polish army fought on while knowing that it was futile - even charging into an armored fight with cavalry at one point. Surely one can't fail to be moved.

    The final conclusion I draw is that there was no lack of courage in either army. I concede that Finland's soldiery where, and still are among the best in the world. I just don't feel that they were the best.

    PS: Neither do I claim the Polish army as the best either. I have yet to stake a claim in this friendly (I hope) discussion.
    Last edited by rotorgun; 05-19-2008 at 04:49.
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