Socialism

[Privateerkev]

On a scale ranging from 1 to 10 how realistic do you think that is? See that is why socialism and socialists tend to freak me out. It's not an idea I am living on it's a planet. Not gonna happen until the martians attack.

I don't know how realistic it is. It is simply what I believe will be the best way to reorder society in a more fair and equitable manner. And I do realize that we are living on a planet. One tenet of Socialism is sustainability. Capitalism, taken to it's logicial conclusion, is actually unsustainable. Therefore I see free-market capitalist purists as rejecting reality. And I don't mean you because I don't know how far you wish to take Capitalism.

True, any system can and will be exploited; corruption is in the very nature of man. Come let us reason together, however. I was speaking of that "work" which we do for wages, not all "work" that we do. As for the "lazy" you refer to, I am addressing those who are capable of making an honest wage, but refuse to-depending on the benevolence of those who do. This takes resources away from being able to provide for those truly in need, such as "the person who stays home and takes care of an elderly parent or child" you say seen as "not working". I say that we must reform both systems and dedicate more resources to educating people to a better way of thinking. The "baby" you refer to is not a baby at all, but in most cases a perfectly healthy adult who wants to take a nice vacation at home while the rest of us pay for it. Do not presume to equate this concept as a lack of charitable sentiment on my part please.

I presumed no such thing. It is just that I have heard the "lazy people will not work" claim many times. Instead of arguing that they will indeed work, I rather redefine the term "work" and "lazy". I believe the real number of "lazy" people will be low. There are many social controls that are implemented to police "rules". Just try cutting in line and you'll see what I speak of. I am confident the same will happen to those who don't work, but can.

It is doubtful that there will be a "pure" system of any kind anyways. Most systems are "hybrids". Where people differ is what kind of hybrid to have. I rather push for as pure a system as possible where your posts suggest you want a hybrid. From that we can find common ground. It is a lot easier working with you than with someone who wants pure anarchy.

As for corruption being the "nature of man", I reject the idea that there is a human nature. Things are learned, relearned, and forgotten. Babies are not born with corruption. I believe corruption comes about because of a Hobbsian view of "if I don't do it, I'll be less safe/secure". It's not that people are innately corrupt, it's that they believe it is in their best interest to be corrupt.