OOC Thread and Chatroom

[TinCow]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I definitely made you abandon the place. What I have not done is make you completely give up on it. If you don't go back and reclaim it, that's your own decision, not mine. This event was never designed to permanently remove any provinces from our control.

[AussieGiant]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I definitely made you abandon the place. What I have not done is make you completely give up on it. If you don't go back and reclaim it, that's your own decision, not mine. This event was never designed to permanently remove any provinces from our control.

rasping hollow sounding voice

"All provinces will be within our grasp. Nothing can stop us. It is only a matter of time young Jedi Games Master."

[_Tristan_]

I haven't given up on it as is made clear in the story I posted before we started this discussion...

I would simply have liked to have a chance to keep it (even if very slim... defeating 1700 men with only 25 BG is not slim by any margin...), that's all...
Were I in Belgrade, I would feel the same... Bucharest and Sinop have their chances, though...
In my opinion, Zagreb and Belgrade had none...

But, hey, TC, don't worry... There's no hard feelings... As I said before, I'll ride with the flow...

[Privateerkev]

Tristan,

Actions have consequences...

People wanted to run out and exploit the awesomeness of the RBG unit, and the stupidity of the AI sally mechanic, and grab some easy provinces.

So, TC has shown us that, that tactic is still allowed, but you might very well face an angry rebel full stack for your troubles.

Furthermore, you wanted to play a loner. You consistently did things to set yourself apart from the group and you rejected any offer to bring you into the group. While this is certainly your right, you can't be surprised when you get pretty much abandoned when the going gets tough.

With TC as GM, I have a feeling this game will become a learning exercise of "you reap what you sow."

None of this is criticism. But I just want you to know that you put yourself where your at.

[AussieGiant]

Tristan, you made the right decision...a key aspect in any general's success.

The point of TC's events are to ask these questions of us, and see how people want to react.

Face with the situation, you did admirably and it benefited the Empire as a whole.

Standard Officer training is to run through scenario’s like this and test the cognisant abilities of the people involved to see if they can react to a variety of situations.

One of those situations is inevitably the "impossible one". Why, because you can't know what the world will throw at you...but how 'you' handle it is "knowable".

Hell, you made 10 grand out of an impossible situation...I'd say you past with flying colours my friend.

[Privateerkev]

Hell, you made 10 grand out of an impossible situation...I'd say you past with flying colours my friend.

Exactly. And the 10 grand will help others be saved. Something you can (and should) bring up IC.

[AussieGiant]

Exactly. And the 10 grand will help others be saved. Something you can (and should) bring up IC.

That's a 10-4 rubber ducky...I'd be pounding that little point IC as far as my little brain would take it.

[Privateerkev]

That's a 10-4 rubber ducky...I'd be pounding that little point IC as far as my little brain would take it.

Methodios gave up his chance at personal glory to help save the Empire in it's time of need even though the Empire abandoned him.

The story practically writes itself...

*edit*

(and why do I always have to be "rubber ducky"? Can't I be "fierce badger"?)

[TinCow]

LOL, which faction paid 10k for a city they'll lose almost immediately? (I haven't looked at the save yet.)

[_Tristan_]

Exactly. And the 10 grand will help others be saved.

Help how ? By recruiting hordes of peasants ?

Because that's the extent of our recruitment capabilities at the moment...

Something you can (and should) bring up IC.

Don't worry you haven't finished hearing about this "sacrifice"

[Privateerkev]

Help how ? By recruiting hordes of peasants ?

Antioch can build spears...

That and mercs can be hired.

So, simply remind everyone that all of those charges of "selfishness" leveled against Methodios need to be looked at, in a new light. ^_^

[AussieGiant]

And yes, ATPG, got my obscure reference.

Reading Yoda's impressive knowledge puts it all into perspective.

[_Tristan_]

Actions have consequences....

That i know all too well, believe me...

People wanted to run out and exploit the awesomeness of the RBG unit.

Having never played SS before the start of LotR I truly didn't know what to expect before Durazzo... Seeing how easy it had been whetted my appetite...

Furthermore, you wanted to play a loner. You consistently did things to set yourself apart from the group and you rejected any offer to bring you into the group. While this is certainly your right, you can't be surprised when you get pretty much abandoned when the going gets tough..

I didn't especially want to play a loner... At the start, I even joined Asteri before the influx of Dread avatars drove me out... No other House had much appeal to me except for the Order but the strictures just do not fit the way I want to play my avatar...

None of this is criticism. But I just want you to know that you put yourself where your at.

That I know full well but that is considering I could have had some inkling of what would happen as a consequence of my actions, something which was totally out of anybody's grasp (except TC...)

Tristan, you made the right decision...a key aspect in any general's success.
Hell, you made 10 grand out of an impossible situation...I'd say you past with flying colours my friend.

Thanks...

[_Tristan_]

As to Diplomacy bugs, there are relatively few... Most of those I encountered were in BC when offers where did not always appear at the receiving faction's end...

The problem as I see it here is that you would have to have control of all the factions at all times so that the Megas would never know if his diplomacy was successful or not before the AI turn came on (with you at the controls)... And that is not too much of a problem seeing how you can always add new Player-controlled faction to a hotseat game...

Thus diplomacy with a faction could well last a complete Megas' term : offer making way to counter-offers and so on...

This would open whole new avenues of diplomacy and make the Megas diplomatic life an ordeal

[TinCow]

As to Diplomacy bugs, there are relatively few... Most of those I encountered were in BC when offers where did not always appear at the receiving faction's end...

The problem as I see it here is that you would have to have control of all the factions at all times so that the Megas would never know if his diplomacy was successful or not before the AI turn came on (with you at the controls)... And that is not too much of a problem seeing how you can always add new Player-controlled faction to a hotseat game...

Thus diplomacy with a faction could well last a complete Megas' term : offer making way to counter-offers and so on...

This would open whole new avenues of diplomacy and make the Megas diplomatic life an ordeal

That doesn't sound too bad. Regarding diplomacy, I'm thinking of proposing an OOC Amendment at the next session which will allow me to do this. I don't want to control all diplomacy all the time, I just want to have the option to take control if there are 'important' negotiations to be done. If a Megas cannot get the AI to agree to some kind of deal, he would be able to petition me to negotiate on their behalf. I'd take a look at the in-game situation and negotiate back and forth with the Megas in an IC manner. If we agreed to a deal, I would take control of the AI faction and have them propose that exact deal with their diplomat, the Megas would then accept and it would be done. There would be no in-game counteroffers nor would I do this for every situation. Just whenever the Megas wants me to RP the AI faction, and even then I would only do it if we were able to reach a deal (which might not always be possible - I can be a ruthless SOB).

[Ramses II CP]

The only really painful bugs we have encountered have been lost diplomatic offers between players... however, as there are really only two 'players' at any one time in LotR it shouldn't be too difficult to run the situation back and try the offer again, as long as the offer is made at the end point of the process. In a hotseat you have 10 people so if there are 5 between when you make the offer and when it fails to appear they aren't going to offer to replay their turns.

There are also, IMHO, certain consequences to the save/reload system in a hotseat, for example AI passivity and the loss of those starting scrolls. If you aren't the first player in order for each new year of a hotseat you almost certainly won't get any info scrolls.

[_Tristan_]

The only really painful bugs we have encountered have been lost diplomatic offers between players... however, as there are really only two 'players' at any one time in LotR it shouldn't be too difficult to run the situation back and try the offer again, as long as the offer is made at the end point of the process. In a hotseat you have 10 people so if there are 5 between when you make the offer and when it fails to appear they aren't going to offer to replay their turns.

There are also, IMHO, certain consequences to the save/reload system in a hotseat, for example AI passivity and the loss of those starting scrolls. If you aren't the first player in order for each new year of a hotseat you almost certainly won't get any info scrolls.

Yes but this shouldn't happen as we would always be the first faction... So there should be no loss of the starting scrolls...

As for AI passivity due to save/reload in hotseat, I never noticed any...

I must admit I'm all for an CA about this : it would take out some of the bigger exploit of the game (no more Pope tribute to get on is good side, though as Orthodox we don't care as much...), possibilities to get vassals out of factions nearing extinction, no more 10k purse for a single town ()...

I can't see any drawbacks at this point...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mmmmm.... this AussieGiant, too sure of himself, he is... and games not make one a Jedi. Only knowledge of the force, properly studied, can THAT, bring about. My own counsel I will keep on who is ready. From the clutches of the evil Catholics, the world must be reclaimed, and an easy task THAT will be not. Only a true jedi, with the force as his ally, can destroy the Pope, and his Emperors. You must feel the force flow through you... but beware of the dark side. Fear, anger, jealousy, these are the path to the dark side. Once you go down that path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Fear these rebel hordes, you should not. Miss your fallen friends, you should not. Hate, you must not feel against TinCow. For in order to become a master of the force, tested you must be. Wars not make one great, but idle farming not make one a warrior. Destroying remote droid armies, too easy it is. More challenges you must seek, before fully trained you can call yourselves.

Glory... heh. The excitement... heh. Adventure... heh. A Jedi craves not these things. YOU are RECKLESS, master Tagaris. When one is too sure of himself, he invites weakness, arrogance, and the wrath of the Cow made of Tin. But complain, should we? This master of evil, doing only what he does best, he is. Once a Jedi was he, powerful Jedi. Chosen the dark side, he has.

Prepare ourselves for the coming storm, we must.


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