OOC Thread and Chatroom

[Privateerkev]

All right, so the potential civil war thingy isn't messing it up?

Well, if they are on boats, they won't rebel. So no, the Crusade has not been affected by the Civil War mechanic. Plus, I think we're going to strip the whole civil war trait system out of the game before we continue.

[Ituralde]

A big yes, yes from me for removing the Civil War mechanics. Anything except the Pagan Magician thing would get a clear yes vote from me. This should be the last you hear from me for roughly a week or two, that's why I put it out here! Don't want to come back to see my character gone Rebel...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

3.1, 3.3, and 3.5 should definitely pass in my opinion. The civil wars are something we should do in the game ourselves IC and we have rules for it. And the title switching is something we do IC and we shouldn't be punished traitwise for it.

I wouldn't mind seeing 3.2 and 3.4 pass but I acknowledge that some people want the traits to reflect their loyalty and some people want to RP pagan magicians. In my opinion though, the near/far loyalty system and pagan magicians are far more trouble than they are worth.

Very much my own opinion...

Looks like we share the same opinion then ..

[GeneralHankerchief]

BTW, AG and OK, since the story we were planning fell through, and since it was mentioned in the Magnaura, I'm going to do a little bit of a retcon and say that the Patriarch sent a high-ranking official to the baptism instead of going personally. You'll see why in time.

[AussieGiant]

BTW, AG and OK, since the story we were planning fell through, and since it was mentioned in the Magnaura, I'm going to do a little bit of a retcon and say that the Patriarch sent a high-ranking official to the baptism instead of going personally. You'll see why in time.

You're setting me up GH!

Don't go and play dirty pool now fella.

What is 'retcon'?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd explain it, but Wiki does a better job.

[AussieGiant]

Sounds fascinating.

Can I send my identical twin brother to this 'retcon'...

you know, nothing like 're-retconning' just to be sure things go fine in version 2...

[TinCow]

I'm back for the evening now. Since no one else has started this thing going yet, I'm just going to declare it myself and put it right to the vote. No need to delay this any longer than necessary, and this is exclusively an OOC issue anyway, so not much need for the usual Senate system. Thread will be up in a moment.

[GeneralHankerchief]

OK, that was an absolutely brilliant post in the Magnaura just now.

[deguerra]

I second that sentiment

[Privateerkev]

That was funny.

But the Illuminati make the Organization look like amateurs.

[ULC]

On the surface it does, but none of you know of my master plan, muahahahahahahahahahaha!

[GeneralHankerchief]

That was funny.

But the Illuminati make the Organization look like amateurs.

Well, duh.

Better name (seriously? "Organization"?), more secret, more effective...

The list goes on and on...

Plus we thought of it first.

[woad&fangs]

OK, that was an absolutely brilliant post in the Magnaura just now.

I third that

[ULC]

Aw cmon you guys are just ganging up on me now

[Rowan]

I made a .exe installer for the current version of LotR Mod. It is available here. I'm hoping this will make it easier for people to apply the future updates to the mod.

At the moment the installer applies the changed files on top of Stainless Steel and creates a LotR shortcut on desktop. M2TW installation directory is detected using registry.

I'd like to get some feedback on the installer, especially if there is anyone using Vista. You can test it without messing your M2TW installation by choosing a different install path.

[Ramses II CP]

Well, I'm digging the Organization. Truth is 'secret' societies were very rarely secret in terms of their existence, just secret in terms of how they operate, and I think we're all in the dark there.

[TinCow]

As a result of Hypatios' expulsion, Kalameteros no longer meets the requirements for promotion to Dux once his time-in-rank is achieved. Fortunately, the timer itself has not been disrupted, as Asteri had two Antypatos. Conversely, Hypatios is now a Comes and has had his timer for Patrikios reset, as he did not reach the total number of turns before he lost the rank of Antypatos.

[deguerra]

yep. that was noted. once iconium and hopefully caesarea are given to house members we should be set again

let me just say OOC that I quite liked this little episode even if it hurt IC. Certainly keeps things interesting.

Are the votes obvious enough for you to change the save TC?

[Privateerkev]

As a result of Hypatios' expulsion, Kalameteros no longer meets the requirements for promotion to Dux once his time-in-rank is achieved. Fortunately, the timer itself has not been disrupted, as Asteri had two Antypatos. Conversely, Hypatios is now a Comes and has had his timer for Patrikios reset, as he did not reach the total number of turns before he lost the rank of Antypatos.

This is going to sound like a weird nitpick but I try to keep track of these things so I need to ask.

What constitutes 5 turns?

Ampelas met the requirement for Antypatos at the beginning of 1110.

Makedonios met the requirement for Antypatos during 1110.

Do the both meet the required 5 turns in that position by the beginning of 1117?

(turns will go 1110, 1111, 1113, 1114, 1116, 1117.)

So, for both men, does 1110 count as a full turn even though they made the rank at different points in the turn? Or does Mak have to wait until the beginning of 1119? And this is pertinent because both avatars will probably gain land-holding vassals this term.

[TinCow]

5 turns from the turn they got it, no matter when they got it during that turn. The only reason I mark the date they got the position rather than the date their time-in-rank will be up is because the 1.5 years per turn makes the math a bit less even and I would prefer to use the more exact measure of the starting point.

On another note, I am now back home and will be able to resume my usual duties without any proxies or further delays.

[Privateerkev]

5 turns from the turn they got it, no matter when they got it during that turn. The only reason I mark the date they got the position rather than the date their time-in-rank will be up is because the 1.5 years per turn makes the math a bit less even and I would prefer to use the more exact measure of the starting point.

Sorry but I usually have a hard time grasping this kind of thinking.

Does 5 turns mean 5 including the one where you get the rank, or 5 more turns? Will it take affect the turn after the 5 turns are met?

Will Mak have his "time in rank" requirement at 1116, 1117, or 1119?

Again I apologize but for some reason I have always struggled at this kind of thinking...

[TinCow]

Assuming that the rank was first achieved in 1110 and this (1110, 1111, 1113, 1114, 1116, 1117) is the proper date list (the questionable nature is the reason I don't post the end date) then the time in rank will be achieved in 1117. Think of it like your birthday. The day you are born is not year 1, it is year 0. The date that a person achieves their rank is turn 0, not turn 1.

[Privateerkev]

Ah thanks. Believe it or not, I've always been confused by how birthdays worked too. It's just the way my brain is wired.

But the way you explained it made sense. Plus, if it didn't, I can just use your example and apply it to all future instances of this.

And as far as I know, the way SS numbers the years seem pretty constant. Meaning, it goes 1 year, 2 years, 1 year, 2 years, ect...

So, once you know this pattern, you can figure out the year of the end point with accuracy.

[Andres]

Forgive me if I sound like a complete idiot right now or if this has been posted somewhere, but do we have to uninstall/re-install something for LoTR 1.2 or can we just install it like that?

[_Tristan_]

Just install it over your present install

[TinCow]

Forgive me if I sound like a complete idiot right now or if this has been posted somewhere, but do we have to uninstall/re-install something for LoTR 1.2 or can we just install it like that?

No, you can install right over the top of the old one, you do not have to uninstall anything.

[_Tristan_]

Is there some simple way of checking if the install works correctly such as the "Arnold test" in KotR ?

[TinCow]

Sure. Hit the end turn button a few times. If none of the avatars get Unwatched by the King or Has the King's Eye, it has worked. Alternatively, you could add the trait Overconfident to an avatar with the console. If the text description says it gives a -1 to Command, it worked. If the text description says it gives a -3 to Command, it did not work.

[TinCow]

Since I have been doing this for the 'Organization' for a short while now, I want to publicly announce that I am available to assist in completely anonymous IC communications. If you want to contact someone, but do not want them to know your identity, simply send me a PM with the text you want me to forward and a list of the players you want the message sent to. I will forward the PM with your identity removed and also forward to you any replies.