OOC Thread and Chatroom

[Cecil XIX]

I find Cecil's idea interesting but I see great potential for people getting their wires crossed. It's one of those things that sounds good in theory but I can see confusion over who recruits where and for what. And I don't know how it would affect the player that is the Megas. The job already sounds pretty confusing as it is.

That's why I said the nobles should tell the Megas when the do so. Something like "Here's the save back, I recruted two units of peasent archers at Nicosia for my private army." Having Lords choose their own soldiers seems to be in the spirit of the OOC interpretation of what is happening IC.

[AussieGiant]

I've done that when I was Chancellor Cecil...in the end I requested people send me their recruiting orders...because...again the order in which it is done in relation to a finite amount of money is that there is "The Quick and The Dead."

[Ramses II CP]

Is it now our plan to proceed with matters as though the rules were not ignored with respect to the filling out of the private army? If we do so I believe we should simply propose a CA striking the private armies from the rules at the next session and allow the Megas to recruit whatever he wants.

Igno has freely admitted he broke an OOC rule for IC purposes. This suggests to me that either we shouldn't have OOC rules at all, or we should have some method for their enforcement.

[Privateerkev]

I'm glad the money situation is figured out.

But the Megas still broke the actual Rules. Not just mamby-pamby edicts.

I'll lay out the case IC. Stay tuned...

[Ramses II CP]

Frankly I think handling it IC sends the wrong message. OOC rules should not be available for debate. The foundation of the game is the respect all players are required to show to those rules. We're talking about the same rules that prevent us from moving each other's avatars at will here.

If the OOC rules are negotiable IC then we're going to see a lot more chaos. What's to prevent me from grabbing the save and moving all the crusaders except myself away from Egypt? An OOC rule... but if I can explain it IC does that make it okay?

[Andres]

Frankly I think handling it IC sends the wrong message. OOC rules should not be available for debate. The foundation of the game is the respect all players are required to show to those rules. We're talking about the same rules that prevent us from moving each other's avatars at will here.

If the OOC rules are negotiable IC then we're going to see a lot more chaos. What's to prevent me from grabbing the save and moving all the crusaders except myself away from Egypt? An OOC rule... but if I can explain it IC does that make it okay?

I understand and agree with your point of view.

Imo, TinCow is Gamemaster and it seems to me that this is entirely his decision. Maybe it's better if the OOC aspect of this matter is dealt with by TC, in private?

As for the IC aspect of the matter, let the games begin

Just my

[Privateerkev]

Ramses:

I'm talking about it IC because it seems appropriate to push for IC consequences. Plus, fits with my character... ;)

But yes, I would like a ruling on this from TC. We long established that the rules are set in stone. (until they are changed by CA's.)

If this was a misunderstanding by Ig, that would be different. But he admits to ignoring the rules on purpose.

And unlike KotR, it is actually against the Rules to break the Rules. (unless it is an event.)

[Andres]

Edited this out in the Magnaura:

OOC: Guys, we're talking about the rules of the game here. The ones TC has told us over and over, that they are not to be broken. Well, I can prove without a shadow of a doubt that they were broken.

OOC: True that, but that's OOC. IC, impeachment requires 2/3d votes. If 1/3+1 does not want to offend the Caesar IC for whatever IC reasons, then he will not be impeached. The impeachment is an IC "punishment" and should only be invoked for IC reasons. I'll try to explain: e.g. Senator X knows that the Caesar violated the Constitution, but since he's loyal to the Caesar or because he thinks he will gain political benefits by supporting the Caesar, he won't impeach the Megas who is Caesar. That same Senator X might vote for an impeachment of another Megas who violated the Constitution, because the other Megas is not on his side or is just a poor guy without real power or importance It's politics, those in powerful positions can do more then others. OOC I agree 100 % with you: a rule that shouldn't have been broken has been broken, but that's OOC and it's up to TC to make a decision about an appropriate punishiment. I'm sure that a player who goes a step too far in breaking the rules, will face the "Wrath of God", i.e. TC will certainly throw some lightning bolts at that players' avatar...

[Andres]

I'm glad the money situation is figured out.

But the Megas still broke the actual Rules. Not just mamby-pamby edicts.

I'll lay out the case IC. Stay tuned...

Meh, it seems like there is plenty of money.

Money solves all problems. Mak will be nitpicking, but what else can you expect from a fanatic religious nutjob

Igno can recruit the required amount of troops in no time now.

[Ramses II CP]

Meh, it seems like there is plenty of money.

Money solves all problems. Mak will be nitpicking, but what else can you expect from a fanatic religious nutjob

Igno can recruit the required amount of troops in no time now.

You're missing the point.

Last turn he wasn't allowed to build anything or recruit anything for non-private armies until he recruited the required amount of troops. By his own admission he decided to ignore that rule.

[AussieGiant]

Can I request that we keep OOC comments out of the Senate thread.

I agree Ramses, however as you will see from my posts I was also unaware of the exact details. I've tried to disguise that with BS, smoke and some mirrors, (Please note anyone using this OOC admission in an IC way will get me coming after them with an ice pick.)

While the rules are shortish and well written by TC, you still need to be extremely well organised and aware of all issues OOC to be the Megas.

I've brought this up before but if we've made the rules so detailed that if we can't resolve errors IC, then we are excluding a large number of people from running because they either don't want the pressure or are unaware of all the rules and how they relate to each other. You can't "wrote learn this stuff anymore". You need to 'understand' them and how they relate to a complex, fluid well simulate world.

In other words, I'm pretty glad I've done a politics and history degree so I can deal with this game from a fairly equal footing. That should not be the minimum requirements to run for Megas.

Plus...if there is an issue like this...impeach...likewise I'd speak to TC in private to find a resolution OOC if that is what people wish (I'd highly disuade people from doing this as the IC consequences are more than enough to find satisfaction in my opinion.)