OOC Thread and Chatroom

**Andres** · 07-30-2008, 15:12

Edited this out in the Magnaura:

Originally Posted by PK

OOC: Guys, we're talking about the rules of the game here. The ones TC has told us over and over, that they are not to be broken. Well, I can prove without a shadow of a doubt that they were broken.

OOC: True that, but that's OOC. IC, impeachment requires 2/3d votes. If 1/3+1 does not want to offend the Caesar IC for whatever IC reasons, then he will not be impeached. The impeachment is an IC "punishment" and should only be invoked for IC reasons. I'll try to explain: e.g. Senator X knows that the Caesar violated the Constitution, but since he's loyal to the Caesar or because he thinks he will gain political benefits by supporting the Caesar, he won't impeach the Megas who is Caesar. That same Senator X might vote for an impeachment of another Megas who violated the Constitution, because the other Megas is not on his side or is just a poor guy without real power or importance

It's politics, those in powerful positions can do more then others. OOC I agree 100 % with you: a rule that shouldn't have been broken has been broken, but that's OOC and it's up to TC to make a decision about an appropriate punishiment. I'm sure that a player who goes a step too far in breaking the rules, will face the "Wrath of God", i.e. TC will certainly throw some lightning bolts at that players' avatar...

**Privateerkev** · 07-30-2008, 15:15

Well, in Mak's opinion there is more than enough reason to impeach. If the Emperor wants, we can get an emergency session underway and put the Caesar on trial.

As for myself, I just want the rules followed. They weren't. And if we are going to make the rules "unbreakable" then they need to be enforced.

If people want to keep that part OOC, I totally understand. But to me, there are more than enough IC reasons to push for IC punishment.

So, I will go two pronged on this. I will push for an IC punishment for IC reasons. And I will ask us to discuss OOC what to do about a clear violation of the rules and how we can prevent this from happening.

**AussieGiant** · 07-30-2008, 15:43

For the record I'm going to keep myself focused on the IC stuff.

TC's the only one in a position to handle the OOC stuff and I'm sure he will handle that with aplomb as usual.

So, lets see if the father is willing to impeach his son...not a strong start for the Impeachment camp but hell, it will be fun.

**Andres** · 07-30-2008, 15:47

And fun it is

**Privateerkev** · 07-30-2008, 15:48

Watching Apionnas try to defend the Caesar is like watching Jan try to defend Siegfried...

**Dafuge** · 07-30-2008, 16:01

I rather like it if rules like that are broken, but there need to be a really good IC reason.

**_Tristan_** · 07-30-2008, 16:07

But where to stop ? If this rule is broken today, then tomorrow it will the SoT limitations that could be threatened or our capacity to prevent our avatar from being moved by another player...

Rules are rules... Unless they are not correctly worded and you can find one loophole in them that allows you IC to play on that misunderstanding... But here in the present case, there is non of it...

Ignoramus himself admitted that he pointedly chose to prioritize building and recruitment of certain armies to the detriment of others in contravention with the rules... This needs to be dealt with either IC or OOC...

**AussieGiant** · 07-30-2008, 16:11

Indeed PK...it's a gallant reguard action. Something all good generals must do before becoming real men

**AussieGiant** · 07-30-2008, 16:17

The precedent of break rules knowingly does not help the game. That is clear.

What people are ignoring is post 1644 by Igno.

He's apologised OOC. Which leads me to believe he will not do this again. I could be wrong but lets wait an see.

In my mind it's the IC stuff that needs to be handled, and it is being handled very well at this time. Although one man calling for impeachment is not a landslide by any means.

**Ramses II CP** · 07-30-2008, 16:23

This is why I fundamentally oppose dealing with it IC, because the same characters who voted for Igno to be Casesar are, naturally, not going to care that he is breaking the rules to favor them. If you take that point of view you need to be careful that you always keep yourself in power, because your protests when the rules are broken against your favor will fall on deaf ears.

As Tristan points out above, if this rule goes by the wayside other rules will follow. It isn't as simple as 'Well, it's just this once, just this one rule, and nobody likes that guy anyway,' you have to ask yourself why any of the rest of us would follow the other rules either. The game will devolve into who can get to the save first to screw over their opponents with outrageous violations, or we'll simply have the Megas doing everything since his access to the save is presumably the start point.

I can immediately think of a few rules that I'd like to test the consequences of breaking, and I think that's the logical next step for all of us. If Igno can do it and get a joking pass, why can't I?

edit: In other news, as the Onion has it, today the Justice department announced that the Justice department had broken the law. The Justice department is reportedly discussing whether or not to idict the Justice department.

http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo...ice_dept_broke