OOC Thread and Chatroom

**Ignoramus** · 07-30-2008, 23:57

I'd like to clear up a misunderstanding her.

I never knew that armies and construction were tied together. I thought that prioritised buildings had to be built before any other construction, so I built the Wooden Castle at Aleppo. I didn't seee the rule that you had to recruit for royal and private armies before prioritised buildings.

I really am sorry for breaking the "unbreakble" rules, because I know that they're an essential part of the game. I'll fix up the problems as soon as I can, with apologies to those affected. I never intentionally broke the OOC rules.

Also, please don't get too harsh on me. FLYdude as Megas hadn't strengthened my royal army to the minimum legal OOC requirement, and he voted for me, so it shows how confusing the Megas' job can be somethimes.

Once again, sorry, specifically to PK and the Order.

**Privateerkev** · 07-30-2008, 23:59

Thanks for that Ig. Things are cool OOC on my end.

**flyd** · 07-31-2008, 00:28

That's cool, but I really think people need to stop accusing me of not building up the armies.

Caesar's army was stated as under the command of Ituralde. It was missing a pair of horsemen. Igno told me to recruit some (expesnive) merc horsemen into his stack, and I did. There was now one royal army between him and Ituralde, which was all they were eligible for at the time.

**Kagemusha** · 07-31-2008, 05:45

I have been looking at the armies in the game and for example Overknight´s royal army is lacking either one horse unit or a archer unit still. So it has been basically understrength from the beginning, but no uproar have been heard from him. I think that because Megas are human and human´s make mistakes, these kind of things will continue happening.
In my opinion it should be left to Tincow´s good judgement to judge which errors might have been intentional and which not.

**Rowan** · 07-31-2008, 07:22

I'd like to point out that it is quite different if an already established army is one regiment short of regulations (especially after battles or if it is divided between two persons), or that a person that recently became eligible for private army doesn't get one after repeatedly being pointed out that one should be recruited.

Furthermore, it is an OOC rule. Impartial, set in stone, part of the mechanics. If you are looking for loopholes in OOC rules then you are by definition mixing IC and OOC aspects of the game. And that in my opinion is malice aforethought.

**AussieGiant** · 07-31-2008, 07:42

If I ever, ever, ever, ever become Megas in this game, I'm going to employ a hat full of lawyers and have them guard my inbox 24 hours a day.

I'm sure there are some people who are going to disagree on this...but, I think the time spent on this topic OOC is becoming disproportional to what has occurred. TC has made his summary comment, Igno has made his. Everyone has made their position clear.

I'd like to propose moving on.

If anyone wishes to continue discussions then in the interest of amusement please do it here in the OOC with TC so I can watch.

I think we'd all learn a thing or two on formulating positions and legal process

**flyd** · 07-31-2008, 08:07

Originally Posted by AussieGiant

If I ever, ever, ever, ever become Megas in this game, I'm going to employ a hat full of lawyers and have them guard my inbox 24 hours a day.

I think I'm gonna start an I'm a Participant in LotR without a Legal Background (IaPiLwaLB) support group. "Politics and history" majors will only be accepted as associate members, since that's still sort of related, as far as I see it. Having heard of "malice aforethought" before is grounds for immediate disqualification, regardless of educational background.

**Andres** · 07-31-2008, 08:23

Maybe, just maybe, it's better if we first send a friendly pm to the Megas in charge if we think we noticed a mistake, something like:

"Hi there, When I examined the save, I noticed that army XX needs extra units. It's the army of YY and according to rule ZZ it should be prioritsed. Thanks in advance. Btw, I do realise that being Megas is alot of work and I really appreciate your efforts, so I'm not annoyed at all. This is just a friendly reminder. Thnx in advance and keep up the good work

Cheers. P.S.: Naughty boy

P.P.S.:

"

If such a pm would be ignored, the next step should be contacting TC in private.

Of course, the culprits' pm box should be empty in order to follow that course of action

But then again, maybe you should just ignore me, since I'm one of those guys who doesn't qualify to join the IaPiLwaLB support group

**Andres** · 07-31-2008, 13:24

Guys, please.

Originally Posted by Ignoramus

I'd like to clear up a misunderstanding her.

I never knew that armies and construction were tied together. I thought that prioritised buildings had to be built before any other construction, so I built the Wooden Castle at Aleppo. I didn't seee the rule that you had to recruit for royal and private armies before prioritised buildings.

I really am sorry for breaking the "unbreakble" rules, because I know that they're an essential part of the game. I'll fix up the problems as soon as I can, with apologies to those affected. I never intentionally broke the OOC rules.

Also, please don't get too harsh on me. FLYdude as Megas hadn't strengthened my royal army to the minimum legal OOC requirement, and he voted for me, so it shows how confusing the Megas' job can be somethimes.

Once again, sorry, specifically to PK and the Order.

Ignoramus said that he did not break the rule on purpose and he also apologised.

He got a slap on the wrist from TC and I think he understands by now how angry you all are/were. I'm sure this won't happen again.

Don't forget: we're all human and we all make mistakes.

Can't we just let it rest and move on, please?

If you keep continuing your mantra, you'll eventually ruin the game for some of us and that would be terrible, considering the effort and the amount of time TinCow is putting in this.

Let's concentrate on the fun, please.

**Dafuge** · 07-31-2008, 13:27

I agree to just move this into the past OOC, but in IC it should obviously carry on untill deemed necersarry.

**Privateerkev** · 07-31-2008, 14:40

I am convinced that Ig tried to find a loophole in the rules rather than actually break the rules. But, in the course of trying to find a loophole, he did actually break a rule on accident.

In light of this, I think the OOC response from TC is wholly appropriate in proportion to what happened OOC.

IC however, the Caesar tried to find a loophole to deny the Order a legally mandated army.

So, to me, this seems to now belongs solely in the IC world. And there is plenty to !@#$ about IC on this issue.

But OOC, to me, this issue is settled.

And Andres's suggestion to send a friendly OOC PM is a good idea and will stop many problems before they start. But Ig was on purpose trying to find a way out of fulfilling a Constitutional mandate so in that case, a "friendly reminder" might not have had the appropriate immediate effect. Him and I had talked about the army IC and OOC before this happened so he knew he had to make it. But his character really didn't want to so he tried to find a way out of it.

But he did try to do it legally. (He failed of course but it's the thought that counts.)

When I get home, I'll check the save. If I see the units are being recruited, then to me, the issue is over OOC. (IC however is different...

)