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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
    Stalin had almost 3 times the length of rule of hitler, i can't find the figures on kills at the moment but if we just adjust for the extra 20 years stalin had to kill im pretty sure hitler kills more, if not just take into account the total population both leaders presided over and hitler is clearly the far deadlier leader
    Look at it this way - how many more could Hitler have killed? The Jewish population was almost wiped out. The discussion of averages strikes me as odd - one did kill more than the other.

    EDIT: Just for you.

    Stalin
    Rule - 31 years

    2,200,000 - NEP period
    11,440,000 - Collectivization
    4,345,000 - Great Terror
    5,104,000 - 1939 to 1941, Pre-War
    13,053,000 - War period
    15,613,000 - Post-war to end of regime
    Plus a few more deaths for 1922, which is not included in these totals.
    Source

    Per Year Average - 1.7 million

    Hitler
    Rule (in combined office) - 11 years

    16.3 million (not including blame for WWII, but including murders of Slavs, Poles, Jews, Roma, and homosexuals)
    Source

    Average - 1.48 million

    Stalin still has more.

    well stalinism is simply not communism, it was called it and perhaps somewhat based on it but it was perverted to something which isn't communism, i can't comment on whether hitler is facism or not i just assumed it was.
    It is a form of communism, and that's backed up by the Wiki page:

    "Stalinism" refers to the brand of communist regime that dominated the Soviet Union, and the countries within the Soviet sphere of influence, during the leadership of Joseph Stalin. The term usually defines the style of a government rather than an ideology. The ideology was "Marxism-Leninism theory", reflecting that Stalin himself was not a theoretician, in contrast to Marx and Lenin, and prided himself on maintaining the legacy of Lenin as a founding father for the Soviet Union and the future Socialist world. Stalinism is of the order of an interpretation of their ideas...
    Then you presume wrong, blame can be put in a multitude of places but hitler and his ideaology can take a large percentage of the blame.
    Certainly a percentage, but it was predicted immediately after and during the Treaty of Versailles that the Paris peace would lead to war. The Allies, in their infinite wisdom, knew what would happen, but chose to ignore it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian
    Facism. All the other choices at least governed based on ideology, but facists governed based on looks.
    ...Sure...
    Last edited by Evil_Maniac From Mars; 05-27-2008 at 04:27.

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